Restart for JSA claimants

oneman wrote:Yes your health condition is a barrier to work and it is non of their business so tell them not to talk to you about your health. A WCA would be great for you as it would put you in the limited capacity to work group and you would be removed from Restart until you get a reply from The assesment. The WCA is taking years to get an appointment and is being scraped so it would be a great way to avoid them. You might get referred  to the other work and health scheme though? Only the DWP can request a WCA not Restart. So tell them to shove it. You will be referred to an assessment after a period of sickness beyond the allowed sick period. You can become well at any point! Starting the whole process over again. Use their system against them and stop this shitty Restart scheme.

I wonder if the WCA kicks in after 3 months of fit notes and this is what my work coach was hinting at a few weeks ago during the three-way call?

I've less than a couple of months left on the highway to hell, aka Restart. So if I could burn up 2 months with fit notes and that'd mean I have another spare month if I need it.

These cunts have demotivated me so much that I'm struggling to want to do basic things. Everything I do, such as going out, it feels like I've had to force myself - the weather isn't helping much, either! I even struggle to wake up early to phone the doctors at 8am, even though I know a fit note could help me.

I think you need 13 weeks of fit notes from your doctor before an assessment is raised. The problem is the DWP will still require you to attend Restart even if you have a fit note. My condition is possibly contagious and the new DWP rules state that I must try and stay away from other people. That includes the job centre and Restart. I've had this condition for over a year now and still not had a WCA. They do keep trying though but as I'm possibly contagious then they can't assess me. So they are stuck between a rock and a hard place and we keep going round in circles.

Ask your doctor for a 3 month fit note and see what you get. I have not seen my Doctor for over 18 month but get regular fit notes as it's quicker to issue a fit note than to waste further time with an appointment. Also after the first few times the doctor would have to question why they have issued so many fit notes if nothing was wrong. They would have wrongly diagnosed you and they won't be admitting to that.

Help what the play here guys signed on today work coach not received the message yet already missed two face to face restart appointments cannot be assed with the advisor she forcing me to do a restart role i refuse to say YES and also asked me bring in any right to work documents don't trust these parasites with my personal information at all already told her by text message gaining overtime with my part time work please leave me alone.

Also said my work require 30 days notice to quit also why would i quit my local job for some restart role that is fucking miles away to benefit my parasite advisor needs.

Jayne. Are the appointments mandated? If not then they are voluntary.

I would tell Restart that you don't have any right to work documents. That will stop them in their tracks. Also get them to contact you by post only. This causes so much hassle for them.

oneman wrote:Jayne. Are the appointments mandated? If not then they are voluntary.

I would tell Restart that you don't have any right to work documents. That will stop them in their tracks. Also get them to contact you by post only. This causes so much hassle for them.

These people are stupid the retard bullying game they play so unreal they know im claiming peanuts on benefits they know im working i wouldn't never give restart my right to work documents they will photocopy that whatever they do with my personal sensitive information don't like any 3rd party company using my information eg passports number,driving licence serial numbers,phone bill etc etc will be asking them to contact me by post only to be honest cannot be assed speaking to any of them waste of breath.

12 Months scheme they want to know everything from you how much benefits you claim right to work documents, health issues, married, single, smoke, drink, sleep issues fucking hell enough is enough tell your advisor to do one my advisor even ask me once do you do drugs? yes i do want some speed or cocaine fucking hell some fucking private investigator restart advisor don't even mention to your advisor you have a job interview coming up they want location, bus times, bus route, contract hours offered, person doing the interview even email them the proof fucking nosey numpties sometimes i feel like i'm being interrogated they even put you into a small room at the restart office with their little stupid notebook writing down everything you say.

Jayne, are Restart offering you a job with them? If not, and they are offering you work in another organisation tell them to get fucked. Restart are supposed to verify your identity but they can do that by asking you questions. They can ask if you have right to work documents, although the fact you are in their office is proof the DWP know you are entitled to work in the UK. What they have no right to do is to demand to see the actual documents an employer would need to satisfy themselves of your right to work. They are not employing you or carrying on as an employment agency so don't let them behave like one.

I've decided if the Restart SPoC bods decides I must be referred again I will not bother going. I will base my plea for mercy to the DM on it being a duplicate referral and the fact I attended over a year ago. If that fails I will just have to take the sanction. Am I correct in thinking with being on JSA I cannot be sanctioned twice for the same thing? If I just fail to attend, get referred again, fail to attend and so on, the man can't do much after the first sanction. I reckon I could keep that up until June 2024 when referrals to Restart end.

Ignatius wrote:Jayne, are Restart offering you a job with them? If not, and they are offering you work in another organisation tell them to get fucked. Restart are supposed to verify your identity but they can do that by asking you questions. They can ask if you have right to work documents, although the fact you are in their office is proof the DWP know you are entitled to work in the UK. What they have no right to do is to demand to see the actual documents an employer would need to satisfy themselves of your right to work. They are not employing you or carrying on as an employment agency so don't let them behave like one.

Thank you we all know these Advisors wanted their commission that all nothing to it work coach already said to me ask your employer for some overtime ignore the restart advisor forcing you to do 37 hours we will not put any pressure on you but the restart advisor doesn't seem to listen i always get emails after emails saying to apply for this and that we need to put you forward to this restart job so and so if you get accepted bring in right to work documents they clearly don't understand i cannot just leave a job and move to another one you have to give 30 days notice even that i wouldn't want restart taking any credit all i care they can piss off im sticking to my own terms.

Next will ask my work coach to sanction me for next five months better to focus on my life instead of this restart shite this shite is stressing me out day to day even thou im working what the actually fuck this is bullying five months sanction i only lose about £200 pounds in benefits happy to take that and remain on JSA.

They are picking on you Jayne you withdrawal your consent forms and sourced your own employment without providing any employer details over to your restart provider they cannot make a claim of payment from the DWP that why your work coach doesn't pressure you doing 37 hours they don't get any commission 16 hours to sign off jsa restart advisor wants 37 hours putting you into a restart role so they can claim payment just avoid them at all cost go for the sanction.

If restart get you into a role they will have every little details work hours, contract hours, employer details, everything required for the forms since you pull out consent forms they have no idea where you work let alone your hours or your wage.

I know what these fuckers are upto just stick to telling both WC and advisor your seeking overtime these Restart parasites will not think about the claimant requirements or needs everyone situation and lifestyle is different every job I had from them is 37hrs to 40+hrs only benefit the restart company "Financial Gain" fucking bastards using a different method of bullying people spoken to people at my restart office like single mothers, people with mental health issues only required afternoon work part time so they can care for their family and kids they are also forcing them to do full time work fuck this programme.

Ignatius wrote:Jayne, are Restart offering you a job with them? If not, and they are offering you work in another organisation tell them to get fucked. Restart are supposed to verify your identity but they can do that by asking you questions. They can ask if you have right to work documents, although the fact you are in their office is proof the DWP know you are entitled to work in the UK. What they have no right to do is to demand to see the actual documents an employer would need to satisfy themselves of your right to work. They are not employing you or carrying on as an employment agency so don't let them behave like one.

Reading these post restart love to bully its people find this is truly messed up bang out of order they should be helping someone by extending the work hours like a second role plenty jobs around 8 to 12 working hours that what I would do definitely wouldn't be applying pressure like that typical Roadmen gangsters tell them all to get stuffed also tell them to fuck off.

Told my advisor overtime on the cards and my job is a six months contract lets see how the advisor respond to this text message these bullies will say contracts are worthless.


Update text came back what the hell response is this these cowboys are doing shit under their own terms.

Hello,
Jayne thank you for the text message this morning the point we are making taking a restart job gives you better benefits we offer you in house support including a free bus travel tickets upto one month also you can claim free work clothes,shoes including a free bike also you can end your contract with your existing job at anytime by telling them your employer big circumstances change in your life you required more hours if your interested head into the restart office our Job specialist team can guide you into your new restart role also don't forget to bring in your right to work documents any help leaving your old job we can also contact your employer on your behalf to start the process.

Best Regards, Sarah your employment advisor

Yes, mine took roughly the same amount of time—12 weeks. Roach Shop likes to inform inmates during that process that it's ok; you don't need to keep sending them in   But I did regardless, right up to WCA.

Asking for a three-month note is the best course of action, as Oneman advises.

Many doctors will not write a 3-month note on your initial visit unless you have something very major going on, but they will if you keep going back.

Good luck

Jayne wrote:Told my advisor overtime on the cards and my job is a six months contract lets see how the advisor respond to this text message these bullies will say contracts are worthless.


Update text came back what the hell response is this these cowboys are doing shit under their own terms.

Hello,
Jayne thank you for the text message this morning the point we are making taking a restart job gives you better benefits we offer you in house support including a free bus travel tickets upto one month also you can claim free work clothes,shoes including a free bike also you can end your contract with your existing job at anytime by telling them your employer big circumstances change in your life you required more hours if your interested head into the restart office our Job specialist team can guide you into your new restart role also don't forget to bring in your right to work documents any help leaving your old job we can also contact your employer on your behalf to start the process.

Best Regards, Sarah your employment advisor

ROFI haha
Blackmail at it's finest free items many will take the offer up and get nothing in return where is my free month bus tickets, invisible push bike you promised me fuck you tough you just accepted a job from us they have no legal right to give you the items you asked for don't fall for this scam also department of work and pensions doesn't pay for any of these been reading the whole restart 70+ page guidance all upto the provider if they have funds highly they will spend £200 on a push bike on you.

Stay at your job just ignore the tossers.

Hey guys bit of topic anyone know when is the second living cost payment should i turn up for my next appointment or miss it i can see them going for a sanction now already missed two recieved a letter demanding to turn up don't want to get sanctioned and miss out on the 2nd cost of living payment qualifying dates
first between 26 January and 25 February 2023 I got paid in May
sure the second qualifying dates are July or August

Jayne wrote:Hey guys bit of topic anyone know when is the second living cost payment should i turn up for my next appointment or miss it i can see them going for a sanction now already missed two recieved a letter demanding to turn up don't want to get sanctioned and miss out on the 2nd cost of living payment qualifying dates
first between 26 January and 25 February 2023 I got paid in May
sure the second qualifying dates are July or August

November perhaps?

When you’ll be paid
If you’re entitled, you will get:

£301 paid between 25 April 2023 and 17 May 2023 for most people on DWP benefits
£301 paid between 2 and 9 May 2023 for most people on tax credits and no other low income benefits
£300 paid during autumn 2023 for most people
£299 paid during spring 2024 for most people

oneman wrote:

Jayne wrote:Hey guys bit of topic anyone know when is the second living cost payment should i turn up for my next appointment or miss it i can see them going for a sanction now already missed two recieved a letter demanding to turn up don't want to get sanctioned and miss out on the 2nd cost of living payment qualifying dates
first between 26 January and 25 February 2023 I got paid in May
sure the second qualifying dates are July or August

November perhaps?

When you’ll be paid
If you’re entitled, you will get:

£301 paid between 25 April 2023 and 17 May 2023 for most people on DWP benefits
£301 paid between 2 and 9 May 2023 for most people on tax credits and no other low income benefits
£300 paid during autumn 2023 for most people
£299 paid during spring 2024 for most people

Always 3 months me personally think this year qualifying dates are Mid July - Mid August payment in October 2023 just don't over work and get zero payment and avoid and sanctions between these dates you will qualify.

They apply the yearly calendar in a very amusing way because, according to mine, September is still considered autumn in the UK. But in their world, no doubt, it is late October. I think we, 'the little people, should let 'them' eat turnip soup. See how they like it. twisted:

I got mine in May, so you would like to think logic dictates it to be August, but I bet it isn't.  They prefer to make payments every 16 weeks as opposed to every 12 'four times a year.' Keep the sheep waiting for their grain. Why didn't they make these payments last week in March, last week in June, and so on? But no, we just have to elongate it so it rolls into next year. You might need help for Christmas, but pray to God! We can't have that, now can we?

No doubt, this winter they will be rolling out buy one candle, get one free to top up your heating bill.

"£300 paid during autumn 2023 for most people
£299 paid during spring 2024 for most people"

Nice little gap there then: roll:

On one of the UK benefits subreddits on Reddit there is a restart advisor posting replies. The mods have verified that this person actually works on the Restart scheme.

Perhaps nothing new or too unexpected, but I found it at least somewhat interesting. Here are some of their posts..

I know personally i have people on my caseload saying, and I quote ‘why should i get a job when you pay my rent for me, why should I pay it myself?’

Some people really do want to get into work, some people have health or other barriers that need work before going into work, and others are ingrained in the system and it doesn’t matter how we try to help, they never want to work.

On being forced to bring ID, bank statements..

There is absolutely no need to be asking to see bank statements. Politely tell them where to go!

ID we would ask to know what right to work documents you have, incase we needed to order some for you i.e you needed a birth certificate, we’d order this at your initial meeting.

The majority of our participants bring their ID with them to the initial meeting so we just make a note of what they have and move on.

We would never take a copy or scan of it because we can’t keep a hold of that, we have no reason to keep a scanned copy of your ID

How Restart deals with fit notes..

We would not need to see a fitnote on Restart, JCP would confirm that a fit note had been received and for how long.

We would then wait to see if JCP have accepted the fitnote. If so we would generally look at the first 50% of the fitnote not having mandatory attendance, but the last 50% would be.

Your work coach can also provide an easement for the period of the sicknote if they will agree to it which gives you a time defined break from Restart

Part time work..

If you are working under 18 hours then you would still be expected to attend Restart appointments every 2 weeks in person.

However, in reality if you are doing close to that, for me I would be moving you to in work support and updating the system so you no longer have the mandatory appointments.

Then I’d keep in touch with you by phone, text or email whichever you prefer once or twice a month to see if you where ok and if you needed any support.

If you where doing ten hours or less that would be a conversation with JCP to see if they are happy and do that class you as doing your commitments, if so we would move you to in work support.

For me, and the contract I work under for Restart, we look at what is ethically right for the participant. Yes, we get paid once you earn over £4200 however, if working 7 hours a week and us never getting an outcome is the right thing for you then so be it

Just to add, it doesn’t matter if you get a job yourself or through an employer restart have a relationship with, it’s all logged through hmrc so restart would get paid regardless of who you work for

Going on holiday while on Restart..

If JCP have agreed that you are able to travel abroad between ‘x date’ and ‘x date’ then you would not need to attend.

Appointments would still be booked every 2 weeks however they can be closed down as not attended due to holiday.

JCP would still expect you to be carrying out work search, for me personally, if your on holiday then I’m letting you have a holiday but there would be an expectation that you attended the office within a few days of coming back to set some updated actions

Multiple appointments each week..

Three times a week is excessive!

If you are in a job ready position where you are actively seeking work, then booking a job session each week would be reasonable.

DWP are now asking for weekly contact so I would be expecting you to be in once a week, whether this is an action plan review, catch up appointment or workshop/job session

Your 2 weekly contacts are mandatory appointments but as I say, the expectations from DWP that are being enforced on us is to now have people in weekly so there is an intervention each week.

Make sure you are having your travel costs refunded, bus/train travel to and from your appointments is to be covered by the provider

But as I say, three times a week is excessive and I wouldn’t dream of bringing someone in that often unless they specifically requested the support

Questioning the claimant..

So the outcome is now £4250 to get to a payment for Restart.

I’ll be honest, if someone is on restart with no real barriers/challenges then I will ask the question why are you not looking for work.

I know this is not you from what you are saying, but UC/JSA is the government paying someone to look for work, so if someone is not doing this we will ask, especially to see if there is something going on that we don’t know i.e subtance issues/undiagnosed illness/domestic violence etc etc

Not every coach/adviser is a sales person, a lot of us are people that genuinely care and want to help, and I don’t want to out myself, but honestly I have so many stories where peoples lives have changed from the help we give

16 hours part time is perfectly fine to be looking for, plus we can still track for 6 months after you finish programme.

Appointments on short notice..

If I wanted someone to attend the office that short notice because I felt it was something of value, I’d ring them and explain.

You can’t be sanctioned for missing what looks like a non mandatory activity.

If you miss your normal bi-weekly appointments then that can lead to a sanction once the mandation process has begun.

I’d just reply back to your adviser and say you are unable to attend and require more notice in future.

If you did a diagnostic recently, what did you say would be a reasonable notice required to attend an appointment?

On pushing people to accept jobs..

I don't want to say who I work for, or what area but it is an area of significant poverty and their are still plenty of opportunities available.

For me ultimately, it comes down to 2 differnt answers to a question 'Do you actually want a job?'

If you do, brilliant, we can work together, upskill if needed and get you into long term work

If you don't, it gets difficult and there is much more of a focus on mandating and providing evidence to JCP to initiate sanctions, which are starting to come through fairly quickly now

Jara wrote:On one of the UK benefits subreddits on Reddit there is a restart advisor posting replies. The mods have verified that this person actually works on the Restart scheme.

Perhaps nothing new or too unexpected, but I found it at least somewhat interesting. Here are some of their posts..

I know personally i have people on my caseload saying, and I quote ‘why should i get a job when you pay my rent for me, why should I pay it myself?’

Some people really do want to get into work, some people have health or other barriers that need work before going into work, and others are ingrained in the system and it doesn’t matter how we try to help, they never want to work.

On being forced to bring ID, bank statements..

There is absolutely no need to be asking to see bank statements. Politely tell them where to go!

ID we would ask to know what right to work documents you have, incase we needed to order some for you i.e you needed a birth certificate, we’d order this at your initial meeting.

The majority of our participants bring their ID with them to the initial meeting so we just make a note of what they have and move on.

We would never take a copy or scan of it because we can’t keep a hold of that, we have no reason to keep a scanned copy of your ID

How Restart deals with fit notes..

We would not need to see a fitnote on Restart, JCP would confirm that a fit note had been received and for how long.

We would then wait to see if JCP have accepted the fitnote. If so we would generally look at the first 50% of the fitnote not having mandatory attendance, but the last 50% would be.

Your work coach can also provide an easement for the period of the sicknote if they will agree to it which gives you a time defined break from Restart

Part time work..

If you are working under 18 hours then you would still be expected to attend Restart appointments every 2 weeks in person.

However, in reality if you are doing close to that, for me I would be moving you to in work support and updating the system so you no longer have the mandatory appointments.

Then I’d keep in touch with you by phone, text or email whichever you prefer once or twice a month to see if you where ok and if you needed any support.

If you where doing ten hours or less that would be a conversation with JCP to see if they are happy and do that class you as doing your commitments, if so we would move you to in work support.

For me, and the contract I work under for Restart, we look at what is ethically right for the participant. Yes, we get paid once you earn over £4200 however, if working 7 hours a week and us never getting an outcome is the right thing for you then so be it

Just to add, it doesn’t matter if you get a job yourself or through an employer restart have a relationship with, it’s all logged through hmrc so restart would get paid regardless of who you work for

Going on holiday while on Restart..

If JCP have agreed that you are able to travel abroad between ‘x date’ and ‘x date’ then you would not need to attend.

Appointments would still be booked every 2 weeks however they can be closed down as not attended due to holiday.

JCP would still expect you to be carrying out work search, for me personally, if your on holiday then I’m letting you have a holiday but there would be an expectation that you attended the office within a few days of coming back to set some updated actions

Multiple appointments each week..

Three times a week is excessive!

If you are in a job ready position where you are actively seeking work, then booking a job session each week would be reasonable.

DWP are now asking for weekly contact so I would be expecting you to be in once a week, whether this is an action plan review, catch up appointment or workshop/job session

Your 2 weekly contacts are mandatory appointments but as I say, the expectations from DWP that are being enforced on us is to now have people in weekly so there is an intervention each week.

Make sure you are having your travel costs refunded, bus/train travel to and from your appointments is to be covered by the provider

But as I say, three times a week is excessive and I wouldn’t dream of bringing someone in that often unless they specifically requested the support

Questioning the claimant..

So the outcome is now £4250 to get to a payment for Restart.

I’ll be honest, if someone is on restart with no real barriers/challenges then I will ask the question why are you not looking for work.

I know this is not you from what you are saying, but UC/JSA is the government paying someone to look for work, so if someone is not doing this we will ask, especially to see if there is something going on that we don’t know i.e subtance issues/undiagnosed illness/domestic violence etc etc

Not every coach/adviser is a sales person, a lot of us are people that genuinely care and want to help, and I don’t want to out myself, but honestly I have so many stories where peoples lives have changed from the help we give

16 hours part time is perfectly fine to be looking for, plus we can still track for 6 months after you finish programme.

Appointments on short notice..

If I wanted someone to attend the office that short notice because I felt it was something of value, I’d ring them and explain.

You can’t be sanctioned for missing what looks like a non mandatory activity.

If you miss your normal bi-weekly appointments then that can lead to a sanction once the mandation process has begun.

I’d just reply back to your adviser and say you are unable to attend and require more notice in future.

If you did a diagnostic recently, what did you say would be a reasonable notice required to attend an appointment?

On pushing people to accept jobs..

I don't want to say who I work for, or what area but it is an area of significant poverty and their are still plenty of opportunities available.

For me ultimately, it comes down to 2 differnt answers to a question 'Do you actually want a job?'

If you do, brilliant, we can work together, upskill if needed and get you into long term work

If you don't, it gets difficult and there is much more of a focus on mandating and providing evidence to JCP to initiate sanctions, which are starting to come through fairly quickly now

Thanks,
Jara

Just checked this cunt out cheers the for the information name is "restartcoach" post history says it all
He/she avoids plenty of direct questions/answers also seems like a grass like all advisors at the restart directly avoided the part time job question always 16 hours to sign off JSA universal credit 18 hours why is restart pushing for full time for instant everyone situation and circumstances is different.

I directly questioned my personal advisor part time work he said non available now utter bollocks of course plenty PT work available the truth is slowly coming out they are blood hungry for payment only if you stay and earn the requirement they needed even told me to focus on full time work I have a bad back cannot stand for 40 hours a week numpty.

What i have also noticed my advisor tone has completely changed from the beginning of the programme he did allow me to pick PT/FT now only 4 months remaining on this stupid scheme every job vacancies is FT worried now he will mandate me to my work coach and force me to take on full time work what should i do guys what the next play on this ghost this bastard for the next 3 months seems like the best idea and focus on my life happy what im doing atm pickup up another temporary role these bastards earn the fucking hate they always quote tailored support for each individual claimants what a load of shite.

"RestartCoach (from reddit)

4 mo. ago
Verified (Other)
DWP instruction is now to have appointments face to face as covid is no longer deemed to be a factor, and also weekly interventions have now been requested by DWP to all restart providers so expect appointments to start to move to weekly. This could be workshops, job search sessions, attending job fairs etc outside of your fortnightly and action plan reviews.

There is also a strong push for mandation so if appointments are missed then there is an expectation to begin the mandation process if on intensive work search commitments.

On mandation there is a focus on 602’s being issued, so if you turn down jobs matching your work commitment’s or turn down a job following interview sanctions are being given out.

DWP are putting the foot on the gas and we have to follow their direction

Just on the travel, os that using public transport? I also hope if so, that your travel costs are being refunded and you are given funds/ticket beforehand to ensure you are not using your own funds to travel on."

Does anybody know what legislation there is for this and where I might find it?

I have said before that the Restart scum cant sanction you but what they do is raise a UCD602 form and send it to your work roach who presses the sanction button.
Remember they are not your friends. Twisting conniving bastards see "11.19.
11.20.)

Work-related requirements doubt process
11.16. You can formally notify the Jobcentre Plus work coach of your concerns by completing a UCD602 ‘Work availability and work-related requirements doubt’ form.

11.17. The UCD602 form will provide the Jobcentre Plus work coach with information to understand and consider your concern.

11.18. When completing the UCD602 form, it is important that you only provide specific and factual information as it may be shared with your Participant during the consideration process. You must not include any opinions or information which cannot be supported by evidence on your internal systems.

11.19. Once completed you must send the completed UCD602 form to the District Restart Triage inbox by unencrypted email and include only the CPA reference number in the e-mail subject box. i.e. Subject: CPA 1a. You will have been notified of the email addresses for these inboxes during implementation activity

11.20. During the decision-making process the Universal Credit Decision Maker may contact you for clarification on the participation or activities of your Participant. You should respond to this request as quickly as possible to support the decision-making process and prevent any unnecessary loss or delay to the Participant’s Universal Credit payments.

11.21. The Jobcentre Plus work coach will monitor the doubt on DWP systems and notify you of the outcome of the doubt to inform your ongoing support offer.

11.22. The Jobcentre Plus work coach will also advise you where your notification does not progress to a doubt being raised including the reasoning, for example where your Participant has had a change in circumstance.

11.23. You must continue to engage with your Participant and provide support alongside this process, where you choose to use it.

Love to know the answer
Restart provider can only raise those "UCD602" forms for universal credit or JSA anyone confirm this cannot find anything on JSA turn down plenty jobs on the restart almost every job they wanted me doing.

Georgewaste wrote:Love to know the answer
Restart provider can only raise those "UCD602" forms for universal credit or JSA anyone confirm this cannot find anything on JSA.

JSA602 form

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/restart-provider-guidance/chapter-11b-work-related-requirement-concerns-income-based-jobseekers-allowance-claimants-jsa-ib