Re: Back to work plan.

by Charles1985 Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:07 pm

Ignatius wrote:

It will be more like £90 come April thanks to Jezza's generous uprating of our measly JSA.

Charles1985, you innocent. You are falling into the trap of thinking our government do logical thought. The fine detail is unlikely to have been thought about yet. It can't begin until the legislation has been enacted, so probably not until next year. Based on other programmes, it will probably be based on your total time out of work, not time out of work since they legislate for it.

Will it be paid? Like hell it will be.

You would think with all that time he spent as Health Secretary, Our Jeremy would know that sometimes you can't be successfully treated and recover unless you take time off work.

Pintel, may I ask if you are creatively talented in real life? Your skilful use of the emoji never fails to entertain.

Five pounds increase £90 Should be illegal in 2024 minimum should be £120.

Cheers; don't trust him. He looks like a laughing, lying worm.
He did battle with the junior doctors for months over pay. I always wonder what work placements they offer—tea making, coffee, car washing, lol—hardly any taking on, and with the rising cost of wages and rent, no business can pay someone working 37 hours a week full wage, and with AI technologies on the rise, the whole project seems dead already, which employers want a deadbeat no experience. Natwest bank isn't going to give out work from home laptops to the unemployed handing personal sensitive information. Take years of training also GDPR laws.

In my head is 100 percent definitely warehousing, cleaning from the restart role; they want to get rid of shitty working conditions and hours; everyone turns down thats our work placement if you don't find any work during your time at the restart you take one of those roles to boost the employment rate on the scheme and make it a success.
I couldn't even name one company in my city who is signing up for this.

by Pintel Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:32 pm

# St Ignatius.
"Pintel, may I ask if you are creatively talented in real life? Your skilful use of the emoji never fails to entertain."

Nope, any creative talents have been ship wrecked upon the shore's

of life long ago...
Not sure why I like using the emoji's so much

. Maybe, cause we didn't have them back in the early days of internet. Besides, with the culture of having Kafka style trails, from people's emails sent decades previous. It amuses me to picture the prosecutor, quoting my text punctured with them say **** emoji...

. Not sure how the court typist, will add them to the record.....

by Pintel Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:39 pm

#Charles1985, no point worrying about it, until it gets enshrined on the books. This Welfare to Work/ Work Fare, reminds me of Haley's Comet 🛸. It comes around after so many year's.

by Absolut Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:13 am

I have undertaken 3 unpaid work placements with charities and quit doing it just before the State tanked the economy with all their lies. None of those unpaid jobs led to a paid job. In the last unpaid job I had the woman sitting next to me was being paid for the work I was doing! I then applied to volunteer as an admin worker in our local Oxfam shop. The assistant manager there was so used to the JCP sending her cowed and frightened benefit claimants that she was rude and verbally abusive towards me during the interview even though I hadn't been sent there by the JCP. She was arrogant beyond belief, so I was pleased to see that she doesn't have a job there now as that particular Oxfam shop closed down last year.

The unpaid jobs are on my CV, of course. Employers either think I could afford to work for nothing and ask me why I now want to be paid, or if I leave off that it was unpaid they think I can't stick with a job as they aren't long term. If they end up long term a WC will accuse me of not wanting a paid job. I certainly can't put on my CV that I'm disabled following 2 "treatments" that did not work nor can I put that I've been on benefits for a decade or that during half of that decade we barely got JSA because my husband had a job but wasn't earning enough to get us off JSA. If I do put any of those things, I won't get any interviews. Plus when I turn up to the interview they see my limp and then ask me intrusive and illegal questions about it that piss me off.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't. clown

by Ignatius Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:28 am

I've done voluntary work in the past and couldn't agree more with you, Absolut. Having it on your CV is simply not the magic bullet the JCP think it is. On balance I enjoyed it, but it left a bad taste, and I'm certainly in no hurry to do any more.

by Archangel Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:04 pm

It seems to me that the government want us all off benefits not to save money for them (they waste billions a week on so much else) but to simply punish us. I can see no other logic.

by Archangel Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:06 pm

Pintel wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/employment-support-launched-for-over-a-million-people

There's some other posts on this topic. However, there's alot to go through here I thought it needed it own thread?

https://respectfulbenefits.forumotion.com/t4909-free-nhs-prescription-and-dental-care-could-be-cut-under-universal-santion-plan#18183

https://respectfulbenefits.forumotion.com/t4917-return-of-mandatory-work-placements#18198

https://respectfulbenefits.forumotion.com/t4904p150-restart-for-jsa-claimants#18200

Seems this will be delivered on the Wednesday 22 Nov 23 Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water...

So 'Back to Work' plan (published 16/11/23). Designed to help over a million people with health conditions. 'Support & Tougher Sanctions' ( like they help, by people dropping off the radar). Formal launch of the 'Work Well Service'- to help people start, stay, and succeed in work. 4x key programs; NHS talking therapies, Individual Placement and Support, Restart (expansion), and Universal Support. Over a 5x year period, so more money.

Reform to the Sick note(fit note) processes for people to get Specialist Work and Health Support' ( no idea about the qualifications of these people?).
Again, stricter benefit sanctions - people whom refuse to engage with JCP , or take work offered them. Closing claims( have sanctions ever achieved anything???). .

Targeting the Work shy : "Rise in people who aren't looking for work...' 🥥 "Anyone choosing to coast on the hard work of taxpayers will loose their benefits' ( so turn to crime, and cost the tax payers more...)

Expanding the Universal Support Program ( Never heard of it, more hard earned tax payers money down the drain?). ".... You are talking tax payers for a ride - we will take your benefits away"

Stricter sanctions for ' Disengaged' claimants ( no idea of whom decides if disengaged). A Targeted case review of Claimant's. Restart scheme 'Extending & Expanding of the Restart for 2 x year's (Eng and Wal) until June 26... Tax payers money!!

Introducing a Claimant Review Point - 12 months after finishing the Restart scheme. A claimant will take part in a Claimant Review Point, the Roach will decide what further work Search conditions or employment pathways (no idea what this word salad' is). No discussion between the claimant and Roach . If you don't claim closed ( making more work for the DWP then)

This old chestnut is back again, sort of like Haley's comet.. Welfare to work, cheap labour... Why employ a person when get them to work for nothing .
Mandatory Work Placement Trails: After Restart, claimants 'will be required to accept a job or to undertake a time limited work experience, or other intensive activity to improve employment prospects' ( duration unknown) .

Digital tools to track claimants attenence at job fairs and interviews ( more Big Brother then). So more Draconian measures.

recap.

Extension of the (failing) Restart scheme.
Targeting of Claimant's( Disengaged?).
Welfare to Work (work placement).
Tougher sanctions, 8x weeks plus 5x week to start new claim 13x weeks) .
Claimant Review Point: Adding work sesrch conditions/ employment pathways.
Digital tools to further track claimants.
4xPrograms Talking, Placement, Restart+, Universal Support.

The first link in your post is now inactive:

https://respectfulbenefits.forumotion.com/t4909-free-nhs-prescription-and-dental-care-could-be-cut-under-universal-santion-plan#18183

by Ignatius Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:28 pm

Benefits & Work have posted their response to the WCA reforms and Back to Work Plan. They suggest if you currently have LCWRA you will only be reassessed in 2025 when the new WCA takes effect in a limited number of circumstances. I translate this as meaning if you are planning on becoming too unwell to work, get a move on to meet the deadline.

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/autumn-statement-live-updates

by oneman Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:21 pm

"If you are currently in the LCWRA then you will never be assessed again unless you report a change in your condition or you are suspected of fraud. "

I'm in the LCWRA group (I think) after a job center manager made a reasonable adjustment after my official complaint and took me off work search. I've never had a WCA it's been two years now since it was due but it never happened. I presume I have to wait until suspected of fraud, then?

P.S. That link needs to be saved somewhere important.Ignatius

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/autumn-statement-live-updates

by Ignatius Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:23 am

If you have LCWRA you should be receiving extra money each month.

by oneman Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:55 pm

Ignatius wrote:If you have LCWRA you should be receiving extra money each month.

I know but I have never had a WCA (still waiting for an appointment) and I don't do work searches or go to the Job center. It's as if I'm parked.
I'm not bothered about the money but no job center is helpful.

by Muppet1970 Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:29 pm

Archangel wrote:It seems to me that the government want us all off benefits not to save money for them (they waste billions a week on so much else) but to simply punish us. I can see no other logic.

750,000 new guests and friends arrived in one year yesterday, according to statistics.

Tories open-border policy: a whole new city like Manchester each year need building.
The new guests need housing and food. What do they do? Cut money from the most vulnerable British people. No wonder why hotels are fully booked around my area with security guards 24/7. Where the money is going to 8 million pounds a day, they will use benefits, and the media is causing the problem and labelling ever-benefit claimants as cheats and easy targets, which is why they targeted the disabled to get them to work tories for you, cut taxes for the rich, and give sanctions to the poorest.

by Jara Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:32 pm

I had a 5 month long period of no UC appointments thanks to me self-reporting an illness (a cold) to avoid a particular course. They took me off appointments and then they just forgot about me. Five months later I got a claimant commitment review. Work coach said then these reviews are done every six months, and reason I not had an appointment was that I did not report that I was healthy again. I thought it would be obvious I was fine again, as after 7 days I didn't submit any fit notes? Never heard anything about a WCA.

by Ignatius Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:41 pm

I think there is still a post COVID backlog of WCA.

by oneman Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:50 pm

Jara wrote:I had a 5 month long period of no UC appointments thanks to me self-reporting an illness (a cold) to avoid a particular course. They took me off appointments and then they just forgot about me. Five months later I got a claimant commitment review. Work coach said then these reviews are done every six months, and reason I not had an appointment was that I did not report that I was healthy again. I thought it would be obvious I was fine again, as after 7 days I didn't submit any fit notes? Never heard anything about a WCA.

Somebody failed to do their job properly. No surprise there.

by Muppet1970 Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:01 pm

oneman wrote:
Jara wrote:I had a 5 month long period of no UC appointments thanks to me self-reporting an illness (a cold) to avoid a particular course. They took me off appointments and then they just forgot about me. Five months later I got a claimant commitment review. Work coach said then these reviews are done every six months, and reason I not had an appointment was that I did not report that I was healthy again. I thought it would be obvious I was fine again, as after 7 days I didn't submit any fit notes? Never heard anything about a WCA.

Somebody failed to do their job properly. No surprise there.

Lazy WC are the best. You simply get away with murder and run riot. My work coach doesn't even respond to my restart advisor. Even the restart advisor said I gave up three times. I filled out a form your not engaging and got no response. Lol

Not even one work commitment review since 2016 (JSA), not on any LCWRA, etc.
They haven't even checked my work search since whatever something is strange with my claim, but I'm not complaining; maybe I have the most laziness work roach. I had terrible WC in the past who would check my job applications and even try to sanction me for missing one application form.

by Ignatius Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:32 pm

Benefits and Work have got a bit more on the new bank account snooping measures. The bit towards the end of the article about the these powers potentially extending beyond banks is worrying.

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/almost-9-million-claimant-bank-accounts-to-be-put-under-continuous-surveillance

Unfortunately I don't have a subscription to Rights Net but the gist of this is clear. Apparently it will be ok if they stop prescriptions for people with a benefit sanction because they probably only have minor illnesses. Obviously the fact a medically qualified prescriber considers your health issue can only be resolved/managed with a prescription is a trifling irrelevance.

https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/welfare-rights/news/item/dwp-says-those-that-lose-passported-health-benefits-under-plans-to-close-the-benefit-claims-of-sanctioned-claimants-are-likely-to-have-prescriptions-for-only-minor-health-conditions

by Ignatius Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:14 pm

In another world this would actually be hilarious. In a world in which the DWP intends to snoop away at our bank accounts this is more than a bit terrifying. Woman got her tax credits stopped because the tax credits people decided a shop was her boyfriend.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/single-mum-benefits-stopped-after-6543039

Bonus points to the journalist for using the phrase "live-in lover".

by Pintel Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:05 am

Is this part of 'The Back to Work Plan'...
Back to work plan. - Page 2 220830807

By making claimants "Economically-inactive"...

Back to work plan. - Page 2 2650990582

by jobberpw Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:29 pm

I have a serious vestibular issue "ears,balance,hearing etc" and its not going to get better...ever. No doubt working in some rice grain paying job will cure all that. If it did, I'd be bloody paying them. Well, if i was a footballer maybe:roll: .

I avoid using the phone as much as i can because of it. Wonder what form of communication i will be allowed to use.

by jobberpw Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:35 pm

Yes, voluntary work aka: free labour. Employers lap it up as do government's, keep flag waving this in that its the true path out of poverty along with work. Well millions now know, that in uk ltd the latter does no longer compute. Evil or Very Mad

And wont for many years to come imo.

by Coconutxone Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:01 pm

jobberpw wrote:Yes, voluntary work aka: free labour. Employers lap it up as do government's, keep flag waving this in that its the true path out of poverty along with work. Well millions now know, that in uk ltd the latter does no longer compute. And wont for many years to come imo.

Wonder what company is going to be first? Definitely Amazon and JD Sports. Both of these love some cheap, free labour. No wonder why restart is flogging Amazon roles like a box of chocolates. Your rights removed by your advisor, and now the place you work is not even allowed 3 minutes of toilet break before you get a warning. What a life what the point of living.
The government and these companies expect the unemployed people to behave like slaves look at Ulez in London where people are sabotaging the camera's cannot see free labour work ending nicely.

by Pintel Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:09 pm

As someone with health issues, from my occupation

... You have to wonder, what 'safe guards' will be in place for participants

. Imagine a participant, has an accident while on placement. That could decrease their chances of ever getting employment ever again

...
As with similar situations/projects, many mentioned to see the insurance coverage. As probably not included in the company insurance policy. So a 'catch 22'. Of you shouldn't be doing the task/ Mandated to perform the job! And legally thrown to the wolves

... You can see why these scheme, don't get off the runway

..

by Pintel Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:16 pm

#Cocountxone🥥...
". Your rights removed by your advisor, and now the place you work is not even allowed 3 minutes of toilet break before you get a warning. "

Your just have to take a Bucket & paper, into the building. And do you biology-business, on the floor. 'I didn't have

time for a crepe

, so I did in on the floor. Great advertisment for these companies

...

by Coconutxone Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:19 pm

Pintel wrote:As someone with health issues, from my occupation... You have to wonder, what 'safe guards' will be in place for participants . Imagine a participant, has an accident while on placement. That could decrease their chances of ever getting employment ever again ...
As with similar situations/projects, many mentioned to see the insurance coverage. As probably not included in the company insurance policy. So a 'catch 22'. Of you shouldn't be doing the task/ Mandated to perform the job! And legally thrown to the wolves ... You can see why these scheme, don't get off the runway ..

Bloody hell safeguarding in place first we have to get to the job site first plenty of times my restart advisor wanted me into a job at 4am without transport by the time I walked to the place in the winter I'm frozen to death before I get to the destination these advisors cannot get the basic right get to work in one piece fully functional.

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