Re: Has anybody been on the Work and Health Programme?

by Committed Claimant Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:56 pm

jobberpw wrote:Yes very true CC, being informed and gaining as much advice as possible is a must. I am knocking on now and due to divorce clearing me totally out financially speaking don't see myself ever working again. I have been renting the past five years and any job a roach suggests is 90% of the time mini wage, temporary, unsuitable or a 100 miles away. That's their specialist help being used there

Sorry to learn of your situation Jobber. Anyway KBO. Keep Buggering On eh.

by jobberpw Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:07 pm

Cheers CC. All I can do is as you say. I do this better though when those morons aren't on my back

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Hope Gallazz tells his story because that could be very valuable information to some up against the 'opportunity' of the WHP.

I have heard of others informing providers of their current health and medical needs to be taken into account and something I feel jc minus should be doing before sending sheep to the slaughter.

by **Admin** Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:10 am

i presume its this we hgad it

it was crap then and still is now

https://www.reed.co.uk/career-advice/benefits-of-a-return-to-work-programme/

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:17 am

Pick up where you left off. Lol. Really, would take me six to twelve months to get up to speed. Why take on me when someone straight out of uni will be trained and all good to go in one year at a lower level of pay that the employer will use every excuse under the sun to freeze.

Crap as always indeed it was and is Admin.

by london123 Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:47 am

i have told my work coach and her manager i will go to the first appointment after xmas, if what they explain about the course is not or me i will tell the person at the appointment its not for me and decline.

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:11 am

London123, by doing what you state will leave you ultimately and precisely in a position of being mandated to the WHP.

They are trying to fool you into attending so you may do exactly as what you propose.

Read what Committed Claimant and Gallazz have said. Its a question of if you want to be made to attend sooner than later.

By turning up to the provider's office and just having a nose at what's on offer will be like signing a contract as far as provider and JC minus are concerned. They are praying on you not knowing the regs laws etc that surround all this as many don't and therefore get sent headfirst into hell.

There is an initial process laid out for your work coach to follow and from I read in an earlier thread as was covered by CC and defirece2 I think, my memory isn't great but sure they tried to explain this in some detail.

The bottom line is London123, go and decline what's on offer. And, they will be sending you a MUST ATTEND WHP on x date for x years soon after.

Only you can decide and if your decision is to do as you say that's fine. But be prepared for what will come next. I hope I have made some kind of sense.

Also, read up on why not to-SIGN ANY DOCUMENTS WHILE AT WHP Offices.

If anything I state here is incorrect please correct me, someone.

jobber

"I have told my work coach and her manager "
London, do you mean the WC manager, if so just wondering why the managers in on the situation so to speak. Am guessing you filed a recent complaint about this maybe?

"i told reed on the phone i don't want to do any work trial,he said they are only for 2 days max"
Thought they didn't exist anymore for people on UC?

"i could message my job coach on my universal credit journal saying I've read up about this program and its not for me,"
I actually did do that London, well actually phoned them and so far been left alone. But feel its mainly due to my health problems i have been left alone than anything else. Their looking to send people asap who can participate as regularly as they can possibly make them.

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:39 am

Pintel wrote:I know a friend on the WHP program, so far he has to attend once a week with the WHP coach, as well as any JCP appointments to attend. And has been to two different 'soft skills' course these where ‘interview techniques’ and ‘career change’. And he is in his 60’s with some major health problem so the likely hood of any employer investing time and money in him is very unlikely? But he says the WHP coach has a deaf ear to his. Also they want him in for computer job search once a week in addition to any appointments, so they can monitor what he is applying for. Even thou he has the internet at home and computer literate, yet they still want him on their pc’s?

His option of the WHP so far has been very poor, and have been on little or no help. Just repeating of what the JCP has been doing, just more harassment from these people.

This is just typical of these morons Pintel. Bums on seats as many times as they can get equals £. Your quite right the chances of someone getting back into any work hopefully a job that actually pays at 60+ is very very slim. I am also in that bracket and saw the stats for 50+ group 5-8% so all in all totally pathetic. I wonder why DWP roach shop providers alike can't get their heads around this.

In red,how kind and thoughtful of them.I hope that guy manages to make their life as hell as he possibly can. Their worth it:D
Rolling Eyes

by Gallazz Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:58 pm

london123 wrote:i have told my work coach and her manager i will go to the first appointment after xmas, if what they explain about the course is not or me i will tell the person at the appointment its not for me and decline.

I know there's a lot of info to take in, but I think the forum is unanimous that you should decline before the initial interview, because attending it apparently means starting the programme. Of course it's your decision, but I think the advised course of action is the most straightforward.

by Welfare-Champion Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:01 pm

Gallazz wrote:
london123 wrote:i have told my work coach and her manager i will go to the first appointment after xmas, if what they explain about the course is not or me i will tell the person at the appointment its not for me and decline.

I know there's a lot of info to take in, but I think the forum is unanimous that you should decline before the initial interview, because attending it apparently means starting the programme. Of course it's your decision, but I think the advised course of action is the most straightforward.

I agree!

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:02 pm

Totally agree with Gallazz London. Ultimately London, the decision is down to you. But read the forum all about WHP and see, just how its worked out for others by going down the road you are taking.

Good luck

by Pintel Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:02 pm

One point, can anyone think of any good reasons to decline the offer of a place on the WHP. As we have all been in the chair opposite the Roach, and don’t want to seem like a child stamping their feet geek

. Yet we all know how much help these schemes’ are at getting people into work. So just wondering any polite thoughts on why @London123 could decline their offer without losing face with the Roach.

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by london123 Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:10 pm

i have declined ounce ,then threatened with daily signing and decision makers.complained to my work roaches manager, and the manager said i would need to go on the course, i cant pull out again,ill just have to go,

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:14 pm

Good point Pintel and I would suggest that London revisits his medical conditions and evidence of. Maybe go see his GP for a fit note and force jc and any provider companies to comply with eq and dissabily act if he's actually mandated onto this pile of muck they are loving to call, the WHP. When it comes down to it, they have a huge disregard for people's health and overall situations.

London think of how your health could be worsen by
any of their suggestions. If you see that it will or could, spell it out clearly to them. They have to take into account your medical conditions.

This is apparent when asking people the same questions over and over again.

London, do you have any current or historic health conditions that could hinder any type of work a roach or provider company may chuck at you.

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:21 pm

I am a bit confused London as to you saying you can't pull out again?

You aren't actually in until you visit the WHP providers offices. Also if haven't signed anything that will also be good for you.

Has the wc sat down and had a proper conversation with you on why you should attend the WHP. Did the roach give you the correct letter. There is a process I believe they should be taking when doing this and if not its maladministration aka at joke shop for:Can't be bothered.

Sorry if I am misunderstanding you.

by london123 Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:32 pm

jobberpw wrote:Good point Pintel and I would suggest that London revisits his medical conditions and evidence of. Maybe go see his GP for a fit note and force jc and any provider companies to comply with eq and dissabily act if he's actually mandated onto this pile of muck they are loving to call, the WHP. When it comes down to it, they have a huge disregard for people's health and overall situations.

London think of how your health could be worsen by
any of their suggestions. If you see that it will or could, spell it out clearly to them. They have to take into account your medical conditions.

This is apparent when asking people the same questions over and over again.

London, do you have any current or historic health conditions that could hinder any type of work a roach or provider company may chuck at you.

my work agreement states im looking for 20 hours a week max, part time, as i can not stand for long periods,and i use a walking stick, as i find it hard walking up a gradient, also last year i collapsed with a pulmonary embolism and nearly died, blood clots on lungs.

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:42 pm

There is your defence and argument when engaging with whp, wc, dwp etc. Think of using that to benefit you London and stop them giving you the run around.

I know the amount of stress these situations can be but you can put yourself in a stronger position. There are some letter templates around on the forum I think that point towards jc etc having to listen up to your health problems. Just the jsa regs alone point to this and dwp are bound by them so use them against them.

Anyone got a decent letter that London could use to help his situation.

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:53 pm

London have a read up on why they have to take your circumstances into account. Like if you have difficulty with walking then if any job search requirements on your cc point to that will be no good for you and ask for any such reference to be removed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-if-you-have-a-disability-or-health-condition-quick-guide/universal-credit-if-you-have-a-disability-or-health-condition

See here London for a good idea of how this whp is doing. https://welfareweekly.com/dwp-work-and-health-programme-is-failing-people-with-disabilities/

by london123 Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:10 pm

yes i will do, i am on blood thinners now for the rest of my life due to breathing difficulties. so cant do much,that's why my work coach as put me on this course, im looking for a part time sitting down job,

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:18 pm

London you need advice and the correct. You definitely in my opinion have a case for at least getting limited capability for work and be put appropriately in the correct work group. Read the links I have posted.

If you don't get this right. Believe me these sods will have you running everywhere with or without your stick.

You have to put things in place to stop their political dellusional antics. You need to show why it won't be suitable for you. It's looking to me like you have mobility issues. Look at your forms of transport, can you get there, is the provider fully insured, is their health and safety certificate upto date and valid in the building where you maybe going?

Hope that gives you a better picture of how to proceed.

by london123 Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:24 pm

ill be catching the bus, they will pay the bus fairs. i can tell you this i wont be running any where, and i wont try any job to please them.

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:05 pm

That wasn't my point London. It's how your physical conditions may affect you, getting the bus, while your on the bus, how far you are going to have to walk from getting off bus to providers office.

You also will have to be careful when refusing things outright, be that a job itself, or an interview.

The game Is London being able to say no in a totally justifiable way at the same time picking holes in their moronic procedures.

If you cant do that be prepared for a rough ride starting with what they love =santions.

Good luck

by london123 Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:20 pm

ill let you know how i get on,

by Committed Claimant Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:21 pm

London123

I can appreciate that you would want to choose the path of least resistance, most people opt for a quiet life if at all possible.

If you wish, I could write out a letter for you to hand to your JCP work coach and manager, as jobber suggests, setting out your decision to decline the referral offer and your reasons for so doing.

If you could say what sort of work you did when you did work and whether you are in receipt of Jobseeker’s Allowance or Universal Credit, it would be helpful. Were you on the old Work Programme or other JCP courses?

Having worked most of your life and interacted with all sorts, do you think you would benefit from lessons on how to write a CV or job application letters, or fill in forms?

Do you have enough of the basic computer skills to get by on and carry out job searches, considering you don’t aspire to become a programmer?

What need does someone who worked most of their life have for work experience, would you presume to teach your grandmother to suck eggs?

The previous letter you wrote was sent to the wrong destination. Either the recipient didn’t pass it on to your local Jobcentre or your local Jobcentre ignored, or chose not to address, the concerns you raised. It did not get the anticipated desired effect.

You say you’ve got them off your back till after Xmas, or is that after New Year? Either way there’s plenty time to prepare, should that be your wish.

PS Jobber
That article you posted from Welfare Weekly, WOW, DYNAMITE. And the government’s own damning statistics. Talk about ammunition? There must be a Santa after all. We don’t often get such presents landing in our lap, gift wrapped.

by Gallazz Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:45 pm

Pintel wrote:One point, can anyone think of any good reasons to decline the offer of a place on the WHP. As we have all been in the chair opposite the Roach, and don’t want to seem like a child stamping their feet . Yet we all know how much help these schemes’ are at getting people into work. So just wondering any polite thoughts on why @London123 could decline their offer without losing face with the Roach.

Reasons I can think of:

The stress the referral process has caused so far - that the proper referral procedure was not followed (link below) so you accepted it when you wouldn't have done if you'd known you'd be mandated if you dropped out (first page: they're supposed to tell you that, but they didn't). You were told one thing ("it's voluntary"), then another ("you can't pull out" - although you haven't started). They should have arranged an interview to discuss the WHP, and gone though every point in this document with you. They didn't, because you would've known what was what and most likely declined the referral. Here it is:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/460415/response/1110039/attach/6/3.Initial%20Int%20caseload.pdf

Your work coach told you the WHP roach shouted at her because you declined the referral. If that's true, they're unlikely to treat you any better.

Your experiences on the old work programme -they're notoriously pushy and economical with the truth.

But at the end of the day, you don't really need good reason for declining a VOLUNTARY referral.

You said before that they "would like" you to go on it, now you're saying you need to - different things.

by jobberpw Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:57 pm

Nice one Committed Claimant. Hope London takes on board the advice and offer of your letter.

Yes, that post on, great success rate needs attaching to my journal reminding them constantly, that all the bullshit they keep feeding us. Some, are not buying.

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But at the end of the day, you don't really need good reason for declining a VOLUNTARY referral."

Thats what I should have put Gallazz, would've saved me all that typing to London.

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