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The fact is that it is hard to prove ageism was the cause of failing to pass a job interview.
Have any of you suspected ageism was the reason why you couldn't find a job?
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The Catwoman wrote:I think they only want people who have just left school.
Yes, that will be it. Jobcentres fail to realise this, and punish the over 35s because they can't find work.
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Archangel wrote:The fact is that it is hard to prove ageism was the cause of failing to pass a job interview.
Have any of you suspected ageism was the reason why you couldn't find a job?
Yes, but as you say, hard to prove. A disability on top of age is a guarantee that no job offer will be made.
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I don't see myself as unfit, but I do remember what audio cassettes are - and I reckon I'm on the B-side.
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Archangel wrote:I'm in my 50s and there are no jobs out there for the over 50s - especially for longterm unemployed over 50s. I applied for a job a few years ago with Age UK and all the staff I saw there looked under 40! I never got the job.
The fact is that it is hard to prove ageism was the cause of failing to pass a job interview.
Have any of you suspected ageism was the reason why you couldn't find a job?
Hi Archangel,
I can relate to that as i am now in my 60's, and kind of good in one way, but rather sadly been wishing my life away on route to state pension age.
In my 50s i made thousands of job applications which when i examined them over the years most were just repeated applications, same companies, same positions, same scumbag recruiters supplying to them. But there weren't, they were just doing a data sheep mining process to restore their pens with fresh sheep until the next herd got fired or no doubt, in many cases just left. Jobs market in UK and now in many parts of USA is a bloody disgrace. Sure, many available if your fully retired with a big fat personal pension and if they want, go work in BQ or that Bakers and the like for shirt buttons. The mortgage free crowd with personal pension pots never stop working as always making a profit, no matter how low their income maybe.
Major problem society has now and in the future will be the extortionate rents I and many others are tied into vs job incomes which will need to be huge in many areas and as we all know if there is one thing significant with incomes across the UK, its there are too many that are stupidly low.
That cannot change until such a time a huge surge in manufacturing or the next thing better than a PC or TV is invented and by UK Ltd and not being made in bloody China. Dont think i will ever see that in my life time though, and already too late...for me. But hey ho, a good old course to ease my mental health on how to build a paper plane in a team will set me free o the right path to glory days £$.
Employers can just pick and choose and guess what age group they will go for, younger all the time and for many reasons.
I can't state what i did for work, but was multi skilled in specialist field in technology with 28 years experience.Once 2005 hit my whole life slowly went down the crapa up until 2008, and then gradually got worse. Many redundancies, followed by many temp jobs. And many signing on and off the dole.
In my old line of work, its case of whose qualified, and who can we get cheapest 9/10 times the experience people will not want to work for sod all, so in comes the new younger crowd mortgaged up-to their ears and likely to be far more loyal, employers know this and its bingo time for them.
While the deluded out-there trying to get us all working for rice grain will promote this thought "but look at all the experience you have." Reliance upon that went out many years ago. Someone needs to inform the moron roaches of that.
Sorry for my rant
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The Catwoman wrote:I think they only want people who have just left school.
Agree Catwoman, easy pickings and cheap labor, or as cheap as they can get it.
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Just imagine a fellon, being chased by a +60 years Copper...
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/feb/05/uk-state-pension-age-will-soon-need-to-rise-to-71-say-experts
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Pension_(United_Kingdom)
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/articles/whatismylifeexpectancyandhowmightitchange/2017-12-01
You could imagine they would want the Pension age to surpass the life expectancy age. currently:
= 85 year's
= 87 year's
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People with decent pensions will be ok and could likely afford to retire early. Those without can look forward to stacking shelves or delivering takeaways into their 70's. Don't forget, the age at which you can take private pensions is soon to increase from 55 to 57. Bet that age increases again.
It's probably inevitable the pension age will increase. Something I read, can't remember where, did say prior to recent life expectancy increases most people only received their state pension for a few years. It looks like we'll soon be heading back that way.
I wistfully remember times when the WC used to turn their screen in my direction, my state pension date was visible at the bottom of the screen. At times it was the only thing giving me hope and now they want to take that hope away from me. If Caxton House has a suggestions box, I'm tempted to write in and suggest on the UC journal they provide your state pension date and then stick a sad face emoji next to it each time they raise the pension age and kill us all inside a bit more. It's the kind of cruelty that appeals to them.
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When I where a lad, I was told to look after your future. Put money into your private pension & put some money aside for a rainy ️day. Fat chance of that these days. With job uncertainty/ZHC's and likely hood of even get your investment back... And before anyone asks. I did try to follow this advice, but circumstances eat away this...
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Ignatius wrote:Of late I've noticed an increase in older workers when I'm in shops so some employers must be age blind.
Those without can look forward to stacking shelves or delivering takeaways into their 70's. Don't forget, the age at which you can take private pensions is soon to increase from 55 to 57. Bet that age increases again.
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Way my personal pension has performed I am looking at 107 years old. So plenty of supermarket shopping trolley attending in the pissing rain for me. Or, their other great high skilled, high wage economy: Garden centre leaflet hand out clerk. At-least I will have time to retrain then.
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Have to wonder what colour armbands they are going to get. 🤨 Them orange inflatable ones for swimmer's. And a Silver armband for the Nifty-Fifty's....
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️Until some bright spark invents the 'self propelled/driverless shopping trolley'... Then what!
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jobberpw wrote:Archangel wrote:I'm in my 50s and there are no jobs out there for the over 50s - especially for longterm unemployed over 50s. I applied for a job a few years ago with Age UK and all the staff I saw there looked under 40! I never got the job.
The fact is that it is hard to prove ageism was the cause of failing to pass a job interview.
Have any of you suspected ageism was the reason why you couldn't find a job?
Hi Archangel,
I can relate to that as i am now in my 60's, and kind of good in one way, but rather sadly been wishing my life away on route to state pension age.
In my 50s i made thousands of job applications which when i examined them over the years most were just repeated applications, same companies, same positions, same scumbag recruiters supplying to them. But there weren't, they were just doing a data sheep mining process to restore their pens with fresh sheep until the next herd got fired or no doubt, in many cases just left. Jobs market in UK and now in many parts of USA is a bloody disgrace. Sure, many available if your fully retired with a big fat personal pension and if they want, go work in BQ or that Bakers and the like for shirt buttons. The mortgage free crowd with personal pension pots never stop working as always making a profit, no matter how low their income maybe.
Major problem society has now and in the future will be the extortionate rents I and many others are tied into vs job incomes which will need to be huge in many areas and as we all know if there is one thing significant with incomes across the UK, its there are too many that are stupidly low.
That cannot change until such a time a huge surge in manufacturing or the next thing better than a PC or TV is invented and by UK Ltd and not being made in bloody China. Dont think i will ever see that in my life time though, and already too late...for me. But hey ho, a good old course to ease my mental health on how to build a paper plane in a team will set me free o the right path to glory days £$.
Employers can just pick and choose and guess what age group they will go for, younger all the time and for many reasons.
I can't state what i did for work, but was multi skilled in specialist field in technology with 28 years experience.Once 2005 hit my whole life slowly went down the crapa up until 2008, and then gradually got worse. Many redundancies, followed by many temp jobs. And many signing on and off the dole.
In my old line of work, its case of whose qualified, and who can we get cheapest 9/10 times the experience people will not want to work for sod all, so in comes the new younger crowd mortgaged up-to their ears and likely to be far more loyal, employers know this and its bingo time for them.
While the deluded out-there trying to get us all working for rice grain will promote this thought "but look at all the experience you have." Reliance upon that went out many years ago. Someone needs to inform the moron roaches of that.
Sorry for my rant
Hi, I just saw your post now.
There's no hope for anyone over 50 plus who has been longterm unemployed, sadly. I saw a job advert today that said "We are looking for someone to join a young and dynamic team...". Translation: "We are looking for someone young".
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By the way, the application process for even a shit job at Tesco etc is long and hard. An hour long online multiple answer questionnaire to test your mental aptitude for a shelf-stacking job.
I did it twice and failed, and I have a degree. So I don't know what the hell that test is meant to be looking for.
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Archangel wrote:The only places I see over 45s working are in supermarkets. Mainly middle age women. I have yet to see an "old man" working at Tesco.
Most women gravitate towards more social, simpler working modalities, largely avoiding high performance, high stress, high recompense work, unlike most men. There are exceptions but by and large, the data supports that conclusion.
The one area the DWP got ahead of some kind of curve, is that they saw how application processes starting lengthening, and combined with their petty jealousy of seeing us in town sipping coffee/Carling, came up with a(nother) attempt to screw us, in the 35hr a week jobsearch (which is damn near unenforceable).By the way, the application process for even a shit job at Tesco etc is long and hard. An hour long online multiple answer questionnaire to test your mental aptitude for a shelf-stacking job.
I did it twice and failed, and I have a degree. So I don't know what the hell that test is meant to be looking for.
As shown on one episode of 'Undercover Boss', quite a few CEO's and board members etc would fail to obtain and/or maintain employment as one their ground-level staff. It's also quite possible some algorithm clocked you had a degree and had been honest about your age, and it rigged the test. Sucks when you need the money, I feel you, but IMNSHO guys of our intelligence will be the first out the door to much better pastures, regardless, when the economy upticks - and they know that too.
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There's a whole thread/topic there #Archangel of translation's of job advertisement.. The best one I saw was in a foreign language (🤨?). Not sure but wasn't English, so I guess English only speakers not apply... Also I good experiment, would be to apply, as Male or Female (or others) to see if it affects the outcome of these applications?
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