Restart for JSA claimants

oneman wrote:All organisations must have a valid, lawful reason to process your information. Restart and its delivery partners will only collect and use your information for the lawful purposes of administering the services that they are contracted to deliver on behalf of DWP.

They will collect information about you initially from DWP and yourself. The information collected includes your name, address, National Insurance Number, and any other information relevant to the aims of the program, to provide you with a service. They ask for this information about you so that they can support you   , and identify services that they feel could benefit you on the program.
When required to do so, they may share your information with DWP, JCP, or your Local Authority, as per contractual obligations and in accordance with the GDPR. So unless they have broken GDPR rules then I don't think you can get it removed as they will just obtain it again from the other data shares.
I hope this does not stop you from trying though.

**Nothing to lose**
I do need more solid evidence cv at the beginning was sent out without my consent before I told them to delete off the system.

Also withdrawal my consent to share forms parasite advisor this week was so close setting up a online course for me sadly the parasite advisor noticed she couldn't share details at very last minute or else I have solid grounds she broken GDPR hope these fuckers mess up now im literally watching them like hawk they are also trying to put me forward to restart jobs no doubt one advisor at the office will fuck up big time and do this without my consent the dim wits they hire are not very bright.

Anyone knows what happens now?

i give my restart advisor a fake employer details she wouldn't leave me alone for weeks keeps on asking this question had enough so i provided some random phone number and a closed down store out of the blue to keep her mouth shut for once heavens sake these clowns will ask and ask till you get a headache finally she is quiet for once..
hahaha fuckers provider ain't taking any credit even thou if they obtain this information from the JCP and Work coach they still need to call up and speak to my employer to confirm the details is actually true before restart can claim any money outcome from the DWP even that they cannot my consent forms already pull out.

****Also i took a picture of the consent form before signing it****

*This Sheet mentions tick I do or I don't give any consent for Jobs 22, company,also any my future employer and DWP to not share information in steps below.*

*For Jobs 22, to a claim a payment from the DWP may need to confirm details of your employment details.*
*To validate these claims DWP may need to confirm details of your employment. Where appropriate,this may involve confirming the details with each of your employers.*

To achieve this, Jobs 22 and DWP need your consent to share information forms signed.

Jobs 22, Will give your name and national insurance number to your employer to confirm who they are also your employer will use your name and national insurance number to identify you, so they can confirm to Jobs 22 and provide the information below is true and answer all your questions.

*The date you began each period of your employment whether your employement is ongoing.

*if not continuing, the date each period of your employment has ended.

*Whether you were employed during a specific period.

*The number of hours you worked each week.

*The amount of your earnings each week.

*Contract hours currently employed for.

My placement on the Jobs 22 restart programme and any employment or future offer of employment will not depend on whether. I choose to give consent or not you can withdraw your consent forms at any giving time by signing here also tick the box below.

I am happy for you to share any my details across with DWP and any relevant information required and understand that i can change my mind at anytime

I am not happy to share my information and understand that i can change my mind at anytime.

They will use the details you have given them and try and get a payment from DWP. The DWP will either check the details or not check the details. it's a randomly selected process where they only check a certain percentage (not 100% on that) which is why we never give them any details. They have now marked you down as a successful candidate and will probably get a payment and you will become another positive statistic in their bodged success figures.
If they do actually check then they will realize that you have lied to them and raise a sanction for failure to participate and you will have to give the correct details to your work roach to stop the sanction. As long as DWP get the correct details then they will get a payment and they do not have to pass any info on to the restart providers.
Either way, they win.

oneman wrote:They will use the details you have given them and try and get a payment from DWP. The DWP will either check the details or not check the details. it's a randomly selected process where they only check a certain percentage (not 100% on that) which is why we never give them any details. They have now marked you down as a successful candidate and will probably get a payment and you will become another positive statistic in their bodged success figures.
If they do actually check then they will realize that you have lied to them and raise a sanction for failure to participate and you will have to give the correct details to your work roach to stop the sanction. As long as DWP get the correct details then they will get a payment and they do not have to pass any info on to the restart providers.
Either way, they win.

Horrible system we are trapped in anyway provide dwp false information you will be in serious trouble sadly i had to provide my wc the real details due to this isn't a full time job role if this role is full time would have just closed off my benefit claim without providing anything over to the DWP.

Only way stopping these bastards earning is getting sacked and put back to full benefits allowance fucking stupid system people want a normal life thank God this isn't a full time job role only
*6-8 hours a week* so the provider ain't earning much by the time i hit the magic gold "£4250" will be well long gone the 12 months of the restart including the 6 months tracking period that why my advisor keeps on saying do 37 hours full time 37 hours full time takes around 5 months for the magic £4250 figure.

*****Only way to hit them is get a NEW job quit the first one and close my claim without telling my work coach,DWP and Restart******

Also any sanctions restart raises they are only stopping me 5 pounds a week they will be wasting time only way now is not turning up to my appointments for the next 5 months stop any action plan signing for money god these providers pisses me off.

In that case, as long as your work roach does not tell the Restart your correct work details then they will not get paid. I'm pretty sure in the long run that they will be given the correct details but they will have to work for it. In this situation you will not get a sanction but Restart might try and get you one.

If you get sacked then Restart still gets paid just not the full amount.

oneman wrote:In that case, as long as your work roach does not tell the Restart your correct work details then they will not get paid. I'm pretty sure in the long run that they will be given the correct details but they will have to work for it. In this situation you will not get a sanction.

Sadly never ever knows what goes on behind close doors at the job centre my work coach mentioned she isn't allowed to hand over any employer details infomation to the restart because they are a third party private company that was nearly 2 months ago somehow nothing been handover yet maybe the manager at the job centre will soon just to bodged success figures they are all in this together DWP/RESTART also done a Subject access request people told me to do one last time they spoken was back in early Jan this year handover that it.

DWP and Restart are both data sharers. Now that you have removed consent from Restart any info about you can only flow one way, from DWP to Restart, and only if DWP wants to.

I have never tried to remove consent from DWP. There is still time! Lol.

Two ways to win don't get a job for 18 months remain unemployed even working 1 hr a week they still get paid but very snail pace slow.

Or get yourself a decent enough hour job and close your claim don't tell job centre, restart just say close claim that all they need to know.

Or we could just not sign any paperwork.

oneman wrote:DWP and Restart are both data sharers. Now that you have removed consent from Restart any info about you can only flow one way, from DWP to Restart, and only if DWP wants to.

I have never tried to remove consent from DWP. There is still time! Lol.

Hahaha remove consent from DWP start to think its something do with JSA communications DWP and restart never talk once just like many people say here that why many people on jsa turned up for the first appointment on the restart never signed any provider paper works nothing been raised universal credit on the other hand alert message to your work coach papers not signed.

i did have 3 advisors last week during my face to face saying please move over to UC also these 3 advisors was doing the universal credit earnings chart vs JSA saying why are you turning down a extra £90 a month never seen anything like this before from any claimaint told them will wait for my migration letter also said you could looking at 2024 Feb all sounded angry and said i would have done this immediately £90 is plenty of money to be turning down something definitely isn't right 6 people still on jsa at my restart office they singled me out...

Said this in few post back communication....

JSA "HMRC" the old skool benefits system still require you to provide work roach your wage slips every month.

Other thing is restart provider this desperate forcing you over to UC is sanctions that the number one thing more control over your work commitments if you been a pain in the ass at the restart office stay with JSA this saves you from the restart parasite advisors.

Or second reason Universal credit and HMRC systems all designed to talk to each other once your employer uploads your monthly wages to HMRC information gets send back and forward 4 times daily also restart probably have direct access quicker with universal credit due to communication systems in place restart can even request your employer details over with universal credit work coach direct messaging system only if you have your consent to share "ON" if not hope your work coach doesn't provide this over to them...

With JSA you don't even have assigned work coach let alone ask for your employer details or a roach send this information over to restart the advisor at the restart said to me once you remaining on JSA is bloody nightmare for me nobody even answer any phones over the JSA helpline or respond to any direct messages she basically said pointless even talking to any work coach on JSA it's like talking to a brick wall advisor.
Next she said have you ever considered universal credit with this move over you will receive better support and services with the restart.
I know what the advisor trying to say move me over we will fuck you up big time i literally done so much bad things at the office avoided everything they wanted me doing why would i move myself to get screwed up.

Yes i'm still being asked every appointment have you switched over to UC yet.

Personal retard advisor told him need part time add on Job what does the advisor do sends me every fucking job by email all 37 hours full time had a argument with this fucker said listen buddy 16 hours to sign off benefits so stop ducking about with all these full time work parasites just want to get paid the faster way listen fucker im not your slave will obtain full time work after 18 months for now happy what i got fucking do one.

Also before the living crisis you need to earn a threshold of £3600 now gone upto £4250 restart will get a health lump of sum from DWP once the amount has been reached to stop this get yourself a job and sign off benefits give zero information to both parties JCP and Restart.

Don't do the switch guys they will blackmail you bastards want you over to gain back control and sanctioned you ain't worth the extra dosh do it when you finished restart guys or wait for the migration letter.

My SAR request JSA to restart no communication my was only the referral back in Feb that all im shell shocked is that it was expecting to be a long ass list of the naughty things i did was feared opening up the letter.
That why Ignatius, didn't sign his papers at the start of the programme they never raised a issue because he on JSA probably be different story he on universal credit.

Did SAR request with my mates account
Universal Credit to restart see the communication levels restart communicate back and forward to your work roach fornightly any missed appointments, interviews,trouble,lateness, consent withdrawal,threatening behaviour....

No difference on UC when not signing their papers.

oneman wrote:No different on UC when not signing their papers.

Same on both jsa or uc they cannot force you to keep sharing on or sign paper work.

Thankfully Restart have never mentioned Universal Credit to me and it's mysterious benefits. They can expect a dry response which will contain the words "mandate me" if they try to force me onto UC.

Intincroi wrote:Thankfully Restart have never mentioned Universal Credit to me and it's mysterious benefits.  They can expect a dry response which will contain the words "mandate me" if they try to force me onto UC.

Restart cannot force you over to uc even my wc couldn't even sourced my own work and a change of circumstance on my claim work coach did mention your better off on uc i said i will wait for letter she did say we cannot force you over your own choice....

Talking about it why the rush all these restart providers JSA TO UC are they getting paid from DWP to do the dirty work for them for a couple of hundred quid commission first thing come out of my PA is you moved over yet huffing and puffing when i say no i here to look for work not here to discuss my benefit claim from a parasite advisor what worst they will say we have free time after your face to face we can guide you step by step migrate over fuck you.

There so fake, what guidance does anyone need filling out the UC form, I assume it's the same type of form like JSA.

Oh dear, the failure of Restart to register a start for me has come to the attention of a WC, and the matter is to be investigated further at my next appointment. All I know so far is the JCP think I have never attended and it looks like I will be re-referred.

If it goes to a Decision Maker I am confident I will prevail at a Mandatory Reconsideration. I'm not sure how they can re-refer me as the guidance states, or did state, re-referrals are only for failure to attend.

My question for the intellectuals of the forum is how do I play this with the WC? Will the WC raise a sanction doubt regardless and do I just be cool about a referral to a DM? Do I let the WC know I can prove my attendance via transcripts of my sneaky recordings?

Off to wade through all the notes I made and postings on here about my great Restart palaver to refresh my memory.

This is a Restart failure, not yours. They have broken their contract with the DWP. So unless Restart raises a failed to participate notification to your work coach then no reason for your work roach to raise a sanction.
As you have not signed any paperwork and have removed consent then they can't pass any info back to your work roach otherwise they would be in breach of GDPR.
I think they might try and get you back on it but as it has been such a shambles so far then I doubt they can come up with a good reason to send you back. You have all the info you need from here to stand your ground and I know you can do it. If they do go to a DM then Raise an official complaint and get them investigated on both sides. You know the drill.

It's not your fault restart didn't engage and send you any appointments, WC can't do anything.
My new eagle eyes WC worked out I never had 3 way call so I wasn't on restart, I just went along with it when ever they said how's restart.
I have no Idea why they are not referring me back there‍�

I wouldn't worry about it, the WC might look at you funny just play dumb.

Ignatius wrote:Oh dear, the failure of Restart to register a start for me has come to the attention of a WC, and the matter is to be investigated further at my next appointment. All I know so far is the JCP think I have never attended and it looks like I will be re-referred.

If it goes to a Decision Maker I am confident I will prevail at a Mandatory Reconsideration. I'm not sure how they can re-refer me as the guidance states, or did state, re-referrals are only for failure to attend.

My question for the intellectuals of the forum is how do I play this with the WC? Will the WC raise a sanction doubt regardless and do I just be cool about a referral to a DM? Do I let the WC know I can prove my attendance via transcripts of my sneaky recordings?

Off to wade through all the notes I made and postings on here about my great Restart palaver to refresh my memory.

Susprised it took them this long to notice should be the person booking your restart appointments to be questioned not your fault your very best option is keep quiet and see what their findings are in your next appointment with your WC and take from there.

Ignatius. As you had a start date (with or without a signature) I can only presume that you only have about 4 weeks or less (approx) left on the scheme?
Or is your time up already and this is why it has come to light?

Shocking scheme they will find ways to blame the claimant indeed you attended your first restart appointment they thrown you off for not signing the provider paper work and never raised this once with your WC immediately the blame is either your WC or the provider itself any sanctions challenge them.

I'm literally starting to go through the same now since removing my provider signature paper work the advisor hasn't booked any my next appointment dates they literally want me off the scheme as quick as possible using anything they can also any my action plan meeting they cannot be bothered at all no doubt all of this will come back on me saying i refuse to take part with the programme fucking bastards the lot of these.

Muppet1970. Have you asked them to contact you by post only? That will sicken them. Also how long has it been since your last appointment if it's more than two weeks f2f or 2 weeks phone then they have broken their contract with DWP.