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Re: Restart program
Just for clarity here #Oneman.
Has the countdown timer been started yet? As I understand the 'Restart'Scheme' is for 12x months. But ensure if you have started your sentence????
Has the countdown timer been started yet? As I understand the 'Restart'Scheme' is for 12x months. But ensure if you have started your sentence????
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Had to ask at the first appointment to rescheduled as it did not fit with my personal or tailored to suit circumstances. This they did not do and unlawfully continued to proceed to ask questions that I did not volunteer to do.
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Been on the work programme for 5 weeks now. Had 2 meetings about an hour in total. Had 3 rescheduled due to unlawfully mandation and asked for another reschedule yesterday. (No reply yet) it will probably be next week when it coincides with my booster jab and be rescheduled to the week after when I'm off sick for two weeks. I only need 8 weeks until they must review my non existing action plan and they will not be able to continue after that.
I've already done 4 years on the work programme. This will be 5 years so stringing things out for another year will be a doddle. I will not be going back untill the next time I'm mandated by DWP. I may even get a job in the mean time.
I've already done 4 years on the work programme. This will be 5 years so stringing things out for another year will be a doddle. I will not be going back untill the next time I'm mandated by DWP. I may even get a job in the mean time.
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Nearly all of the useful training stopped during the "Thatcher's years" when, hitherto public run training programs, were privatised.
Most given away at incredible discount or even subsidised to ad hoc made-up firms (usually the managers of training schemes, that forked out into private venture).
They were after a short time, dismembered and the equipment sold for scrap, and eventually the only ones that remained were the ones that employed no equipment and provided no content or skill (looking for work training, interview techniques, etc).
All of them in order to provide cronies of the political parties in government with an easy revenue.
When I was enslaved in a work program for a year I took advantage of the incredible maximised margin of profit the companies involved were trying to achieve, their network of barely literate subcontractors, and the wilful ignorance ignorance employed by the JC monitoring, by making up referee placement letters, that they where not able to place in their ramshackle bureaucratic organisational tree.
In this way I managed to be transferred in a more liveable indenture.
In retrospective I think I could have even created an entire fictional work program placement without the JC ever realising it.
Most given away at incredible discount or even subsidised to ad hoc made-up firms (usually the managers of training schemes, that forked out into private venture).
They were after a short time, dismembered and the equipment sold for scrap, and eventually the only ones that remained were the ones that employed no equipment and provided no content or skill (looking for work training, interview techniques, etc).
All of them in order to provide cronies of the political parties in government with an easy revenue.
When I was enslaved in a work program for a year I took advantage of the incredible maximised margin of profit the companies involved were trying to achieve, their network of barely literate subcontractors, and the wilful ignorance ignorance employed by the JC monitoring, by making up referee placement letters, that they where not able to place in their ramshackle bureaucratic organisational tree.
In this way I managed to be transferred in a more liveable indenture.
In retrospective I think I could have even created an entire fictional work program placement without the JC ever realising it.
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DWP assessment contracts will see another £2 billion handed to outsourcing giants
https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-assessment-contracts-will-see-another-2-billion-handed-to-outsourcing-giants/
What a total waste of tax payers money.
Its been shown many times companies involved with WP WHP etc cant deliver and further, inmates forced onto this circus are far from happy and never will be; when being forced, to train for something they no doubt dont have 1 jot of interest in.
More info here on how much is being spent 2020.
https://www.capita.com/news/capita-appointed-to-dwp-employment-and-health-framework
As for the WHP WCA circus that really is a total P take. I mean, who in their right mind currently being looked after by an NHS professional/GP, would let a half skilled person or most likely even worse, deal with their health issues. I know i wouldn't .
I would urge anyone currently on the WHP to question precisely the medical qualifications of the people delivering the 'service .' If they cant supply relevant NHS medical qualifications, id go straight into an official complaint with an MP. They should not be aloud to look at peoples medical history or even discuss such things outside of a drs room imo. Their all sure as hell not Drs or qualified NHS nurses etc. As everyone knows, there is a MAJOR shortage of Drs & nurses in this country. Maybe!! their all now working on the WHP
https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-assessment-contracts-will-see-another-2-billion-handed-to-outsourcing-giants/
What a total waste of tax payers money.
Its been shown many times companies involved with WP WHP etc cant deliver and further, inmates forced onto this circus are far from happy and never will be; when being forced, to train for something they no doubt dont have 1 jot of interest in.
More info here on how much is being spent 2020.
https://www.capita.com/news/capita-appointed-to-dwp-employment-and-health-framework
As for the WHP WCA circus that really is a total P take. I mean, who in their right mind currently being looked after by an NHS professional/GP, would let a half skilled person or most likely even worse, deal with their health issues. I know i wouldn't .
I would urge anyone currently on the WHP to question precisely the medical qualifications of the people delivering the 'service .' If they cant supply relevant NHS medical qualifications, id go straight into an official complaint with an MP. They should not be aloud to look at peoples medical history or even discuss such things outside of a drs room imo. Their all sure as hell not Drs or qualified NHS nurses etc. As everyone knows, there is a MAJOR shortage of Drs & nurses in this country. Maybe!! their all now working on the WHP
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Sanctioned today. £10.60 per day. They have taken single rate instead of couples claim because they are fucking idiots. So £74.20 deduction from the £58.73 pound I get, leaves -£15.47 per week. where are they going to deduct that from.
I have asked for a reconsideration to the DM about the sanction and provided further info/evidence. Also got a bonus of an extra 7 days sanction because I have not been sanctioned in the last 12 months. Lucky me.
Hardship payments will not be granted until I attend the unlawfully mandated appointment that I have complained about but has just been ignored by people plus and the DM in the first instance.
This is all part of the game. And has been done many times.
The big question is will this get resolved before or after tribunal?
I have asked for a reconsideration to the DM about the sanction and provided further info/evidence. Also got a bonus of an extra 7 days sanction because I have not been sanctioned in the last 12 months. Lucky me.
Hardship payments will not be granted until I attend the unlawfully mandated appointment that I have complained about but has just been ignored by people plus and the DM in the first instance.
This is all part of the game. And has been done many times.
The big question is will this get resolved before or after tribunal?
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I was wondering as #Brutus post mentioned of 'useful training'. Is it possible to audit how these Billions of pounds are being spent?on this scheme. By these 'training provider's'. I thought if a company is 'Plc' (public limited company) the financial information is public? While I understand PowerPoint presentation projectors arent cheap. But I'd bet the Tax Payers Alliance, would like a breakdown of the Billions spent? And how much is squandered on 'corporate hospitality' etc...
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/our_mission
https://www.theformationscompany.com/knowledge-base/what-is-a-public-limited-company-plc
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/our_mission
https://www.theformationscompany.com/knowledge-base/what-is-a-public-limited-company-plc
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After asking people plus to confirm that the information they provided in the reply to my complaint is true as my recorded evidence says different. They sent this reply.
Good afternoon.
I have been passed your email that you have sent to xxxx xxxx below.
Having received no communication from you and you failing to attend your appointment, your record has been marked as failed to attend and is now closed and you are no longer a participant with us on the Restart Scheme.
I would therefore kindly ask that any further concerns you have around your claim, or requirements set by your Work Coach are instead directed to JCP.
Kind regards
The appointment mentioned was the unlawful mandated appointment that I complained about but they refused to answer my questions and would not change it.
That Is one down.
Now that the open ended part of the sanction can't be completed then they must stop it or overturn it (it's at reconcider stage at the moment.)
They must at least let me apply for the hardship loan.
As all the evidence I gave at mandatory reconsideration stage was DWP legislation and the two FOI replies from DWP posted on here (thanks for that) then I fail to see how they can not overturn it as they will be contradicting themselves and their legislation.
What do you think?
Good afternoon.
I have been passed your email that you have sent to xxxx xxxx below.
Having received no communication from you and you failing to attend your appointment, your record has been marked as failed to attend and is now closed and you are no longer a participant with us on the Restart Scheme.
I would therefore kindly ask that any further concerns you have around your claim, or requirements set by your Work Coach are instead directed to JCP.
Kind regards
The appointment mentioned was the unlawful mandated appointment that I complained about but they refused to answer my questions and would not change it.
That Is one down.
Now that the open ended part of the sanction can't be completed then they must stop it or overturn it (it's at reconcider stage at the moment.)
They must at least let me apply for the hardship loan.
As all the evidence I gave at mandatory reconsideration stage was DWP legislation and the two FOI replies from DWP posted on here (thanks for that) then I fail to see how they can not overturn it as they will be contradicting themselves and their legislation.
What do you think?
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Job centre has been on the phone and apparently people plus can't close my case as it breaks their contract with the DWP. What the f** k happens now?
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Anyone remember the article about the new restart programme where city & guilds are asked to comment, and they are quite condescending about them?
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oneman wrote:Job centre has been on the phone and apparently people plus can't close my case as it breaks their contract with the DWP. What the f** k happens now?
WTF I was under the impression that you where not even ' enrolled on the program #Oneman 🤨.
Sounds to me like "Short Selling" (selling something that isn't owned by the individual). Isn't it called ' Fraud in legal terms? 🤬...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_short_selling
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oneman wrote:Sanctioned today. £10.60 per day. They have taken single rate instead of couples claim because they are fucking idiots. So £74.20 deduction from the £58.73 pound I get, leaves -£15.47 per week. where are they going to deduct that from.
I have asked for a reconsideration to the DM about the sanction and provided further info/evidence. Also got a bonus of an extra 7 days sanction because I have not been sanctioned in the last 12 months. Lucky me.
Hardship payments will not be granted until I attend the unlawfully mandated appointment that I have complained about but has just been ignored by people plus and the DM in the first instance.
This is all part of the game. And has been done many times.
The big question is will this get resolved before or after tribunal?
Sorry to have read that oneman. Sanctions are the pits and bet they just love to apply it at this time of year.
It would not surprise me if these morons drag this out as long as possible. Probably get off on the financial pain it causes people.
Of course, by them doing this, will no doubt inspire you to [get into work quicker and remain in it for longer. ] That has to be the biggest bullshit slogan I've ever heard in my life
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Unfortunately my sanction has just been overturned on a technicality.
Bollox! I was looking forward to my day at tribunal. Now we will never know.
Bollox! I was looking forward to my day at tribunal. Now we will never know.
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oneman wrote:Unfortunately my sanction has just been overturned on a technicality.
Bollox! I was looking forward to my day at tribunal. Now we will never know.
I am sorry to hear that #Oneman. Can't you appeal against there judgement.
Also if you don't mind me asking, what was the 'Technicality'. As from what I read it was a complete shambles , from start to finish????
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They would not say! It's just their way of saying that they had not broken any legislation rules.
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oneman wrote:They would not say! It's just their way of saying that they had not broken any legislation rules.
Yet you received a sanction penalty! You could be justified in an independent investigation? ... Standards in public office? As you did nothing wrong #Oneman, there the ones making it up as they go along.
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I think that the technical issue was the fact that people plus had broken their contract with the DWP by taking me off their books after the sanction.
My work roach was shocked/surprised when I told him and the manager said she had been in discussions with people plus head honchos.
I got my work roach removed as he was incapable of helping me. He just kept repeating " you have to 're engage with the work programme to stop the sanction"
And "you will not get hardship payments until you re engage with restart"
Obviously that was impossible to do as I had no contract with them as they had cancelled it.
So I guess I stirred up a lot of shit for them.
My work roach was shocked/surprised when I told him and the manager said she had been in discussions with people plus head honchos.
I got my work roach removed as he was incapable of helping me. He just kept repeating " you have to 're engage with the work programme to stop the sanction"
And "you will not get hardship payments until you re engage with restart"
Obviously that was impossible to do as I had no contract with them as they had cancelled it.
So I guess I stirred up a lot of shit for them.
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That roach sounded like a real bully jobsworth.
Well done oneman for sticking it to those clowns.
Well done oneman for sticking it to those clowns.
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When I first spoke to him he was like "How can I HELP YOU"
Turns out he could not. He was just a sheep with no legs. A YES man going nowhere. A man with no balls to make a decision by himself without crying to his boss.
He was one of the nicer ones I have had but he was incompetent so he had to go with an official complaint and a disciplinary hearing.
Turns out he could not. He was just a sheep with no legs. A YES man going nowhere. A man with no balls to make a decision by himself without crying to his boss.
He was one of the nicer ones I have had but he was incompetent so he had to go with an official complaint and a disciplinary hearing.
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Seems like their favourite trick questions oneman.
How can I help you, how are you. All lead to invites to hell.
I only met one nice roach. And that was on just one occasion. She left the next week. See her on my bus recently and told me, she despised the place. Her words, "a numbers game to send sheep to provider companies if they cant find appropriate low paid 'work'. I said yes, as we all know. All work is good for you they like many to think .
How can I help you, how are you. All lead to invites to hell.
I only met one nice roach. And that was on just one occasion. She left the next week. See her on my bus recently and told me, she despised the place. Her words, "a numbers game to send sheep to provider companies if they cant find appropriate low paid 'work'. I said yes, as we all know. All work is good for you they like many to think .
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The cunts won't pay me back untill the DM has written in my journal that they fucked up. Sorry. That they had a technical issue, with!
This DM is the same cunt that had to be corrected 3 times by me! until he got the right sanction amount right!
This DM is the same cunt that had to be corrected 3 times by me! until he got the right sanction amount right!
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Just typical oneman. Anything for excuse for them to play scrooge Jan -Dec
Hope they cough up ASAP.
Hope they cough up ASAP.
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Can you beat this restart crap by stopping your claim for 29 days, then claim again and the 12 month eligibility period starts again.
You could with the WHP programme, any breaks in claims of 29 days reset the 24 month eligibility period.
Anyone know if Restart is the same, I imagine it is?, looks like a rebadge of WHP.
You could with the WHP programme, any breaks in claims of 29 days reset the 24 month eligibility period.
Anyone know if Restart is the same, I imagine it is?, looks like a rebadge of WHP.
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Hi MightyQunit,
Your right, this "restart" will be just another rebadged bundle of crap dressed up as "we know how to get you all working for as close to nothing as we can get. "
You might find an answer here:
https://mrfrankzola.wordpress.com/restart/
Your right, this "restart" will be just another rebadged bundle of crap dressed up as "we know how to get you all working for as close to nothing as we can get. "
You might find an answer here:
https://mrfrankzola.wordpress.com/restart/
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