Restart program

i have an appointment today at the jobcentre, a 3-way conversation putting me on the restart scheme, im 64 with health problems i am currently handing sick notes in as i am awaiting an operation. can they do this when im on sick?

They can do what they like but ultimately any medical facts you may have , will crush them



If certain people had  a brain cell between them, then, not least, your age would not be a selling point in the world of reality to many prospective employers. The only people thinking that would not be the case happens  to be unfortunately for the unemployed, roach central; still stuck in the 1970s. Have no conception of how work places operate post year 2000.And that's,  very clear. Ask any adult trying to find a job where they don't need to claim UC to exist. It's pathetic and just like food banks. This Tory government see it as a positive.

I had a three-way conversion, with the maximus dogs body, i explained i was handing in fit notes, and im awaiting the outcome of my work capability assessment. he asked if there was any special needs i wanted i said would prefer the ground floor as i can't climb stairs. he agreed. i told him i had breathing problems,he said there was professional health care ,if needed. so looks like im starting in 2 weeks, who the hell is going to set me on with all my health conditions and i have 18 months left before i retire.

London, ask these morons in writing to specify as to exactly what and who is supplying specialist health care. Naturally, they will all be NHS qualified and so you will require sight of their qualifications.

my work roach said that's the reason she's sending me on this course as it as health care. i said not looking for work until after my operation,he said theres cv writing and interview skills to be going on with

Then I would get a letter from your Dr ASAP telling this jobsworth,  not at this time due to A,B,C  etc.

Putting you at a risk as to your physical and mental health. I am sure this moron will eventually get the bigger picture. But you, need to spell it out. As their purposely slow on the uptake if you let them.

As previously said. Ask them if you like as to these Muppets expertise if you want to belittle them but I'd be doing the GP letter.

i had no choice.i said i don't want to do it, was told its mandatory and i would be sanctioned if i don't go on the course. its all set up now with a face-to-face meeting in two weeks. i can't even see my doctor we communicate through  E-commerce online, ill let you know how i get on.

Shame you didn't send the morons a letter from GP first and not least, reminded them of their obligations to take ''ALL of your circumstances into consideration.'' Its clear to me...they haven't.

Simply saying you dont want to do x, is an open door for roaches' to feel they can do what the hell they want. To a certain extent they can but when it comes to screwing people around for the sake of it and making decisions such as this which could be risking your health could have serious implications for them.

There are many avoiding these circuses due to far less medical complexities than yours London, and I'd be sending a very stern message through your journal or letter to roach shop manager reminding them of their own guidance as quoted. And that a copy of your complaint is on its way to your MP.

As for your Dr only being available by email etc, unusual, as if you need to see or speak with a Dr you should have access. If your surgery are this crap then, contact practice manager and explain your situation if not send an email message marked urgent. If you have a contact at a hospital specialist nurses or consultants you could request input from them. You need to be more pro active because as i said before, they will have you running around like a headless chicken. Bums on seats for roach shop =£.Nothing about constructively finding the majority work. We all know by now the amount and quality of work that's available out there, particularly for 50+ age group with health probs.

Your line of argument here is id say to Dr. Roach shop are going to put your physical and mental health at risk through their ideologies of their use of conditionality.

This moron feeling a cv is the answer for an older person is deluded in the extreme. Take the piss out of them London. Say, ''have they ever heard that its something to do with the CV's contents that makes an employer want to higher people.

Unfortunately, being older, unemployed with health issues cant be glossed over on a cv, and I'd make it crystal to that moron who feels a cv course is the answer your next great job. Next thing they will be telling you is they feel due to your advanced years you have a wealth of experience to offer. Yes, use to work like that in the early 80s.

You can also say as their so insistent about this poxy course and disregarding your very apparent health issues you now want 'REASONABLE ADJUSTMETS' in place, one being, you will do all courses online from home to accommodate you physically.

Bottom line London, they should have offered  this when taking your full circumstance's inti account. Ask them what part of their own guidance do they not understand.

have a read of this:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services1/disability-discrimination-and-welfare-benefits/

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reasonable-adjustments-a-legal-duty/reasonable-adjustments-a-legal-duty

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/296729/response/726617/attach/4/Annex%201.pdf

Reasonable Adjustments - Claiming welfare benefits with the Job Centre and
Department for Work and Pensions
https://www.mencap.org.uk/sites/default/files/2017-10/Reasonable%20Adjustments-UPDATED_May2017_AH.pdf

''This duty is anticipatory which means that the responsibility of making reasonable adjustments is on
the organisation meaning they must think in advance  about disabled people and the range of
impairments they may need.''

DMs should take into account all relevant information about the claimant's individual circumstances and their reasons for any failures when considering. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1046460/adm-k2.pdf

You may like to think of a reason why you wont be attending London when the joyous day arrives. Only you can decide that.

If you have difficulties travelling by bus or by car tell them clearly and point out all i mention above. They also have an anticipatory duty of which again its clear to me they are purposely not doing.

Thats my advice. Hopefully you will be able to use the info to construct a message for roach shop their understand. Their a bit slow on the uptake for some reason . Good luck.

The Restart Scheme will break down employment barriers that could be holding claimants back from finding work.

I'd say that having a sick note, despite the lack of a WCA outcome to put you in the right group (prepare for work versus not fit at all to even do that), is the barrier to work. No employer will take on anyone with a sick note. As for a CV, you only have to have one.

Interview skills - there is no need for this while you are sick. It's for the future, which might not happen. They are pretending you are either a) not sick, b) that you are going to recover or c) the WCA will find you "fit for work". Even if you found fit for work the Equality Act 2010 still applies. As pointed out you have the right to reasonable adjustments and that might mean doing it from home. Going to their place of business might not be apt. Sounds to me like they are more interested in "bums on seats" so they will get paid than in your health. As for a "sanction" the chances of that being over-turned are high. Er, sick note, morons.

Do mention the Equality Act at every available opportunity. They are being highly discriminatory against you by pretending you don't have disabilities - a disability is classed as any health condition that has a long term adverse effect on your day to day living activities. From the day an illness starts it lasts, at minimum, for 12 months, even after you've recovered.

i think you are right about bums on seats, they just want paying, they arent bothered about us. only thing is any day now i will be getting my work capability assessment results, and ive failed before im sure ill fail again, then i wont be able to hand any more fit notes in.

london123 wrote:i think you are right about bums on seats, they just want paying, they arent bothered about us. only thing is any day now i will be getting my work capability assessment results, and ive failed before im sure ill fail again, then i wont be able to hand any more fit notes in.

I don't know how UC works where sick notes are concerned. Do you get one but they ignore it until the result of the WCA? That seems to be putting the cart before the horse. I don't agree that they should threaten a sanction for non-compliance while a claimant has a sick note. I see them as liable if something happens to you on that scheme while you are under a sick note that they have not yet disagreed with.

I don't know what group they have placed you in versus the group you need to be in. Are you in the "Work preparation group" or "All work related" and need to be in the "No work-related requirements" group? .  

The DWP act like there aren't any laws that apply to them. There is one that does apply to them and that is the Equality Act Public Sector Equality Duty. If you don't pass the WCA that doesn't mean you can't get your limitations recognised on your CC.

They do ignore fit notes and try the old game of, you no longer need to supply anymore. All fine, as long as they put that in writing but many got shafted when having to deal with a change of roach on phone or in office. 'Oh really! we never said that' anything that dosent suit us, suits them   .

I'd personally keep them informed by fit notes until such a time a decision has been made or, as i earlier mentioned, get the none needed sicknotes confirmed through journal etc. Through bad experiences, i dont trust these an inch.

I saw this video and it reminded me of my last 'Cat sat on the mat' course...
The Sugary sweet voice etc of the interviewer. Just what to expect on these programs!


Now back to your scheduled program...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=poMWgGC82bw

(Psychiatric counsellor - Red Dwarf show. )

i just got another fit note for 3 months from my doctor. and put it in my journal. as usual. then today. i haven't been to see Maximus yet that is on Thursday but i have an email today from maximus. asking me to upload my cv this is it, i haven't replied.
Hi, Robert ,

you’ve been doing a great job so far on the Restart Scheme here at Maximus, and we have another resource that will help you even more. The CV360 on the Employment Support Hub analyses your CV using the same tracking software as sites like Indeed and TotalJobs.

I would ignore that email.

Heads up folks: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/restart-scheme

26 April 2022

Updated due to changes to the eligibility of the Restart Scheme.  Restart Scheme eligibility criteria is expanded so that claimants who are in receipt of Income Based Jobseekers Allowance (JSA IB) can be referred. Claimants in receipt of New Style Jobseekers Allowance (NS JSA) are not eligible for the Restart Scheme.

just received a letter for a work capability assessment phone call in May.

London read through all this crap so you are familiar with it and start quoting it through your journal. If these morons don't get it at desk level escalate a formal complain to management about the disregard and risks to our health.

I'd be very quick with this before you enter into any provider lions den so to speak.

If a GP has given a patient a 3 month duration fit note. Then, only a complete moron would see that as a green for go sign .

I see you have a WCA phone call in May so make it plain you won be attending ANYTHING else until the outcome of that and not least your current 3 month fit note London. Only you can control this but sitting back imo is not an option. If you have any invites to great opportunities before the WCA then by just attending any will give them all the fun to be able to say, Oh look, London was capable of doing x. Just paly them at their own games London. Any invite coming your way before WCA you say, please refer to current sick note and that you are waiting on a WCA to take place .

Good luck.


Read this;
Switching off work availability and work related activities
http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2019-0465/CC_Switching_off_work_availability_work_related_activities_v10.0.pdf

A claimant is not required to be immediately available to take up work while they
have a valid fit note.


And ask planks if you like; what part of the underlined dont they understand, in their own guidance and training manuals ?

4. Your Claimant Commitment
To get Universal Credit you will need to agree with your work coach what activities you can do to prepare or look for work. Your work coach will take into account your health condition or disability when considering what to include in your Claimant Commitment.

8. Fit for work
If you are assessed as being fit for work, you will need to agree to look for work that is suitable for your health condition, and be prepared to work to keep getting Universal Credit.

Your work coach will take into account your health condition or disability when considering what work related activities and availability for work is included in your Claimant Commitment.

9. Limited capability for work

Your work coach will take into account your health condition or disability when considering what work preparation activities to include in your Claimant Commitment.

i have another job centre appointment the day before the Maximus appointment.this week, ill explain to the roach, that I'm not looking for work and won't be attending the Maximus meeting until after my assessment out come .

I'd address all this before you attend any appointments. Once again read through all the info I've posted. By attending now could be seen by them your all good to go for anything. That's the mentality your dealing with London.

You need to question them on all the things their insisting you do and cross reference that with all the information on here.

Your still just doing what they say despite everything is clear you shouldn't be

Did you actually read through what I posted? If so, call them out on it. Ask for 'REASONABLE ADJUSTMENTS' to be used.

Roach Centre appointments can be done by phone...ask them.

If they say no, argue the point. If not their happily take the P out of you.

Can't advise anymore.

Best of luck

Absolut wrote:Heads up folks: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/restart-scheme

26 April 2022

Updated due to changes to the eligibility of the Restart Scheme.  Restart Scheme eligibility criteria is expanded so that claimants who are in receipt of Income Based Jobseekers Allowance (JSA IB) can be referred. Claimants in receipt of New Style Jobseekers Allowance (NS JSA) are not eligible for the Restart Scheme.

Does this means those who are on legacy jsa will be referred to this crap

The Catwoman wrote:

Absolut wrote:Heads up folks: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/restart-scheme

26 April 2022

Updated due to changes to the eligibility of the Restart Scheme.  Restart Scheme eligibility criteria is expanded so that claimants who are in receipt of Income Based Jobseekers Allowance (JSA IB) can be referred. Claimants in receipt of New Style Jobseekers Allowance (NS JSA) are not eligible for the Restart Scheme.

Does this means those who are on legacy jsa will be referred to this crap

Well, according to gov.uk, yes. I was also told yesterday by a roach that we are being referred to Restart on 10 May. I was told attendance on the Restart program is mandatory now for income based JSA claimants. They even included the Restart referral on 2 new CCs (both of which are highly dubious legality wise).

They do seem to have forgotten to put income based JSA in the provider documents. The words "jobseeker's allowance" do appear in the eligibility section, but only in connection to "new style" JSA and those claimants not being eligible.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/managed-move-of-claimants-to-universal-credit-set-to-restart

Oh look, they are sending JSA claimants onto Restart at the exact same time that they've announced their plan to re-commence managed migration to UC. Coincidence? No.

Does claiming UC directly from JSA set the "time spent unemployed" clock back to zero? Do they count time spent on income based JSA towards UC schemes as they do with NS JSA? I don't know. In the Restart provider documents only time spent on "new style" JSA is counted towards "time spent unemployed", ie 6 months. Until they update the documents we can't know if a new UC claim after the end of a JSA one will end the Restart program for the ex-JSA claimant for at least 9 months.

just sent this message in my journal,
hi. just received a letter from the Health assessment advisory service. stating i have a telephone assessment appointment on the 11th may

and have just entered the 3 months fit note in my journal i don't see why you are calling me into the job center for pointless face-to-face meetings. when you could phone instead, regarding this Maximus course is this legal as I'm not fit for work i am making an appointment with citzens advice, and could i speak to a manager please.on my next appointment .

Well that's ruined my weekend as I know for a fact my work roach will be sending me on this restart rubbish, suddenly I'm back to face to face appointments aswell..

just phoned citizens advice explained to the woman on the phone. all about it, she said to go to the Maximus appointment or else you will be sanctioned .and if you don't like what they say ring us back. that was a waste of time.


just received a message back from work roach



Hi Robert,



Many thanks for your message. A fit note switches off the job search component of your commitments for Universal Credit. You are not currently being asked to actively look for work.



However, you are still expected to uphold Work Preparation activities. These are activities that help prepare you to return to work (when you are better). One such activity is attending your Jobcentre Appointments.



We can offer additional support for your appointment such as having a separate room or ground floor appointments if and where needed.



Until you get the WCS decision you need to engage and attend appointments.