General election 2019

P.S oops just realised I was on the bayry L account I will try refrain from using it in future and respect your wishes I'm just a bit rushed right now gota get ready for work.

barry.L wrote:more condescending propagandist tripe

I'd suggest you're the most hateful person I've come across in a long long time, and believe me working in the building trade I've met some nasty bastards but none hold a candle to you.

Maybe you're the satan spawn of Katie Hopkins? I also believe someone like Yaxley-Lennon is too left-wing for you.

Ha-ha god one tarquin if you even had an ounce of self awareness you'd realise how your describing yourself funny stuff man it truly is, gave me a good ole belly laugh there with your hypocrisy.

You see unlike you I have self awareness and self doubt and I'm perfectly aware of the hatred that's crept in to my heart over the last couple of years dealing with your ilk and i work damn hard to keep that beast caged.
I'm well aware of my own inner ugliness and why i am as any other man flawed and imperfect. If only you had the capacity to take a moment of self reflection you might see it in yourself.

I'm sure even if you cant see it everyone else reading this thread can see that it is you who has contributed nothing of note to this entire thread except pure raw HATERED.

And you say I'm the most hateful person you have ever know, please man I'm laughing so much its starting to hurt take a look in the mirror already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AhGYo9TExU

It's like the pot calling the kettle black, no wait scratch that, it's like Hitler calling Churchill a Nazi.

Me on the other hand have made lots of good insightful responses to your inane drivel you are both unworthy and incapable of understanding such responses but I do it anyway because I eagerly await your next dose of drivel, because the more you post the more everyone can see how it is in fact YOU who has been consumed by hatred.

I said it before and ill say it again because its meaning seems to have escaped you.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

your monsters are imagined dude but that didn't stop you becoming the monster you see yourself fighting.

I take these words to heart and fight hard to keep the monster at bay you might want to think about doing the same before you embarrass yourself any more than you already have with your blind hypocrisy.

And when you stop telling lies about me i will stop telling the truth about you.

And if your not willing to hear my words by all means keep posting and let everyone see what's under your mask of false virtue.

TheFinnster wrote:self-important twaddle

I don't hate you, you're not worth the effort. I do pity your poor brainwashed mind though.

Forgetting all the nonsense from thefinnster, interesting post I read yesterday, which I shall quote:

Michael Rosen wrote:My 10-point Guide to Labour Leadership Candidates
1. The Economy: if you're asked about why 'Labour crashed the economy' - concede everything. Apologise profusely. Say, 'Yes we did.' Smile weakly. Agree if the interviewer makes out 'there was no money left.' Agree that it was 'necessary' to 'get things right' and 'tough decisions had to be made' and perhaps 'we were in the wrong place to put them right at the time.'

Don't ever point out that in fact it wasn't the 'economy' (in the sense of the government's finances) that had 'crashed'. It was the bankers' who wouldn't or couldn't lend money any more. Never point out that the UK is a currency-issuing economy. Never point out that the government has been issuing billions of what they call 'quantitative easing' which has the net effect of making the super-rich richer by increasing the value of their assets.

Don't make a big deal out of 'inequality'. Instead, cite the misleading statistics on the inequality of pay. These ignore the inequality of wealth which factors in 'assets' e.g. property.

Never mention trade unions. It has been shown that a unionised workforce is able to squeeze a little bit more wages out of the system, alongside better work safety, guaranteed breaks, improvements of working conditions. Never ever mention this. Let interviewers talk about 'union barons' and smile weakly.

Never mention 'nationalisation'. Give that up. All of it. Right away. If power firms, railway companies, water companies, the postal service or any other part of the economy is doing a rubbish job and ripping off people, on no account suggest that nationalisation might be a possible solution. Keep talking about 'responsible business' or some cack about 'a new kind of capitalist'.

The amount of national debt in proportion to the GDP is worrying some economists. You can mention this but if anyone says that you talking about this is 'damaging confidence', clam up and smile weakly. The amount of private debt created by the Tories in order to make up for weak demand is getting to a point where some in the financial community are getting a teensy bit worried that the old domino effect could strike again: a bank in some part of the world system might shut its doors and then another and another and we're back in 2008. The fact that this is finance capitalism being finance capitalism must never be mentioned by you. You must keep up the pretence that this is some kind of present difficulty in what is really a perfect system. Talk about 'regulation' and 'responsible banking' as if that could or would solve anything.

If the whole financial system collapses, blame Russia, China, Iran and Jeremy Corbyn.

2. Foreign policy. You are just allowed to say that perhaps the Iraq War was not ideal (don't mention the millions of deaths, rise and rise of terrorist groups) but there are no other wars that you can say were wrong. You should talk as if 'Britain' (never say 'UK') has to 'help sort out' anything going on anywhere so long as the US thinks it's right to do so. Clearly, Iran needs to be 'sorted out' next, so say so. Never question the right of 'Britain' to do so. When the media machine gets going explaining why some country (any country) is the greatest threat the world has ever known, agree with this. Smile weakly. Point out that this is 'patriotic'. Talk about something called 'Britain's standing in the world' as if you're talking about Queen Victoria being crowned Empress of India. Talking of Queens, always say the Queen is wonderful. And so is the Royal Family. Nick Boris Johnson's phrase 'beyond reproach'. Mention that your mother loves Prince William.

3. The Election defeat. Make absolutely clear that there was only one cause for this: Corbyn. Never admit that any move over Brexit that he put forward came as a result of something your group pushed him into. On no account let anyone make comparisons of the popular vote: Brown (less than Corbyn), Miliband (less than Corbyn). Never make the point that the Labour Party hasn't actually disappeared and that 10 million people voted for a Corbyn-led Labour Party this time and 12 million last time.

Keep saying the manifesto was a mistake. Don't go into details. Begin sentences with, 'I just think that...'

43 out of the 59 constituencies that went from Labour to Tory were in Leave seats. On no account mention this. Don't mention the fact that probably, once Johnson came back with a deal, the game was up for Labour.

What you have to keep saying is 'we're listening to people's concerns'. Be very clear that this isn't anything to do with poverty caused deliberately by the Tories. That's much too confrontational. 'Listening to people's concerns' means you visiting somewhere for the TV and letting people on camera or on the radio ramble on at you for hours about how they aren't racist but the trouble is that immigrants have cut their wages, getting council houses, putting pressure on the national health and talking loudly on buses. On no account point out that poverty, housing shortage and an under-funded NHS were created by the Tory government through austerity as a deliberate part of cutting the role of the state and them (not immigrants) trying to create a cheaper labour force. You must never ever say this.

4. Antisemitism. You will be asked about 'antisemitism in the Labour Party'. This is good. You will not be asked about 'antisemitism in society', or 'antisemitism in the Tory Party', so you must not mention these either. There is only 'antisemitism in the Labour Party'. Concede everything. On no account question whether any report or account was in any way exaggerated, distorted. You must not mention the fact that when Johnson was elected as leader of the Tory Party, every journalist in every newspaper knew that he had been editor of the Spectator and had edited 'Taki' who regularly poured out antisemitic jibes in his column for Johnson or on his own blog or other publications. Don't mention that not a single one of these journalists mentioned this. Don't say that you are in any way concerned by Rees-Mogg and his antisemitic jibes about 'illuminati' and Soros, his retweeting of a tweet from the Alternativ für Deutschland or that he has hung out with far right groups. Don't on any account mention the links between the Tory MEPs and far-right groups in Europe. Don't mention that Boris and Orban (antisemite) appear to get along very nicely. On no account dig up anything on the way that Dominic Cummings talks about Goldman Sachs - it's almost identical to the way antisemites used to talk about Rothschild. Just keep saying sorry for 'antisemitism in the Labour Party' as if it's the first, last and only presence of antisemitism in the UK today. Always refer to 'the Jewish community' as if it is one monolithic entity all thinking and living in more or less the same way, even though it's a teeny bit antisemitic to say so. It's the kind of antisemitism that no one notices so it doesn't matter.

5. Israel. Remember Ed Miliband - he suggested that one way to get the 'Peace Process' going again was for the UK to recognise a Palestinian state before negations. He was immediately vilified, Maureen Lipman left the Labour Party and, apparently, thousands of Jews followed her. Miliband was, according to the Jewish Chronicle 'toxic'. On no account repeat Ed's proposal. Talk about the 'peace process' as if it's a real thing. You can frown in a caring sort of a way about the West Bank and Gaza but on no account propose anything concrete or useful. Accept that all problems in Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza are caused by Palestinians.

6. Brexit. You're stuffed. There will either be a very hard Brexit or a very very hard no-deal Brexit. Remember, no one understands trade deals, nor do you. Keep saying phrases like 'the very best for Britain'. It doesn't mean anything because something can be, say, the very best for bankers and it's absolutely no good for working people. The advantage of keeping going on about 'Britain' is that it feeds into people's sense of entitlement and special status as Brits in the world.

7. Education. Don't disagree with the academy and free schools programme. Don't make a fuss about unaccountable academy management siphoning off millions. On no account oppose grammar schools. These offer the illusion that they are good for the poor because a tiny percentage of poor people go to them. Never describe the schools that are not grammar schools as 'Sec Mods'. Keep calling them High Schools and do the 'progressive' bit by saying that there are teachers in High Schools who are doing a fantastic job. This has the advantage of being both patronising and unnecessary and completely misses the point that the people you will call the 'disadvantaged' are disadvantaged by grammar schools.

8 Social mobility. This is going to be one of your big ones. Keep going on about social mobility. On no account mention the fact that there are 3 key motors that prevent social mobility: inherited wealth, private education and inherited wealth. To mention these is class war. Don't do it. In fact, social mobility also accepts the idea that there must be and will always have to be the very poor, not quite so poor, the fairly poor, the not poor, the quite well off, the very well off and the eyewatering obscenely super-rich. All we can hope for, you point out, is that a few people might move up from one of these layers to another. On no account mention that someone must move down for someone else to move up - assuming the numbers stay the same. In other words, social mobility means society immobility. No change. Keep going on about social mobility as if it's a really progressive alternative radical idea. Mention the fact that your grandfather was poor, you are not and it's all down to 'social mobility'. Never mention the role of the expansion of the economy over the last 100 years as a factor.

9. Immigration. The best plan here is to agree with everything that the Tories do. They will probably fill the airwaves with anti-immigrant rhetoric mixed with how wonderful certain individual migrants have been. Just copy this. They will say that they're going to follow the Australian system, so you should either agree or find another country - Canada or New Zealand (somewhere with a largely white government and English-speaking) - and say that we could follow what they do. The election has shown that not challenging anti-immigrant rhetoric leads many people to think that immigrants have caused their poverty which then in turn leads them to vote for the very people who have made them poor. You must not make this point.

10. Housing. The last Labour Governments could have created a fantastic legacy of social housing. Gordon Brown muttered as much himself as he was leaving office. You could try to say one or two things about social housing but it generally reeks of 'old socialism', so avoid it. In order to sound modern and forward looking, you need to say things like 'we're looking into exciting forms of shared partnerships' or 'we're talking with business about how to get more affordable homes on to the market'. The great thing about the word 'affordable' is that it sounds like anyone and everyone can 'afford' the housing that's 'affordable'. They can't. It's complete nonsense but you must go on using the word anyway.

Hiihoooooo gish gallop awayyyyyyy *trot trot trot*

For those who don't know what a gish gallop is here's a short educational video.



Now normally I'm of the opinion that the best way to deal with a gish gallop is to ignore it but what the hell ill bite.

First off the economic crisis was caused largely by the collapse of the housing bubble due to sub-prime mortgages you can learn all about it here

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/subprime-blame.asp

No one government was to blame for the mess its all a bit complicated and i'm not going to go in to it you can read it for yourself but that being said we where all warned it was going to happen by people like Michael Burry, and Mark Baum, and no one took the warnings seriously id say that is certainly a failing on the governments part. your precious labour party just happened to be the ones in office at the time. But for what its worth i doubt if the torys had been in office it would have been any different.

And re inequality ill take the authors advice and not make a big deal out of it because inequality is part of life we are not all equal some of us are better than others. Equality just a buzz word for the left and an empty one at that. labours policy's would have had us all on our knees and even worse off than we will be under the torys. speculation of course but no more so than your speculation that it would have been better.

And if Equality is your buzz word mine is reciprocity.

And as far as unions are concerned they are awful self serving organisations sure they will occasionally fight for rights and higher pay but what they don't tell you is that those pay raises and better conditions usualy come at the expense of workers because when they force wages to go up there's usually lay-offs witch lead to a higher work load for the workers who are left its like robbing peter to pay Paul
No thanks I prefer to negotiate my own pay with my boss I'm doing quite well for myself and am on £XX an hour despite the fact i have only been there for less than a year because I'm damn good at lever-ageing my skills as i tell my boss minimum effort = minimum wage and I don't give minimum effort and I'm worth more that's why I'm a supervisor already because I am a commanding presence and I know how to get those boys moving, this is why I get paid more than some workers who have been there longer than me.

You should try it sometime go read some articles or watch a video on you tube about how to negotiate a pay raise screw unions they aren't worth the fees. I can negotiate my own pay/working conditions.

And as far as nationalisation is concerned I'm not entirely against some things being nationalized I am after all centre left social liberal you may remember I have made posts in the past arguing for the nationalisation of the rail system for example, as to the rest of it I don't care much especially that plan to nationalise the UK's internet what was it comrade corbyn was saying it would cost £5 billion ? I'm pretty sure BT alone is worth more than that not to mention the real estimated figure was reported to be a cost of close to £25 billion.

Free they called it told us the rich would pay for it LoL don't make me laugh the rich where packing there bags at the mear thought of a corbyn lead socialist government you wouldn't have gotten a cent of there money and you know it, nah it would have been hard working tax payers like me who got left holding the bag free my butt nothings free everything has a cost. Oh and what about the policy of a 5% pay raise for civil servants with yearly increases to follow and with his plans to nationalize everything thats a boat load of civil servants to pay. who was going to pay all that I wonder ?

And what about all those pensions that company's like BT need to pay for what happens to those when the government steals there company and pays under market value ?

And then there the issue of state surveillance are you out your god damn mind. you might as well hand them the keys to the city you mad man. You lot don't even want to get on there computers at the job centre or do your job search online but your ok with them just taking over the entire internet because your lured out with the promise of free stuff.

Seriously get your head out your ase corbyns idea of nationalizing everything is paying under market value for company's he didn't build but you somehow feel entitled to despite the fact you or this country didnt build and take risks with your own capital. Call it what it is theft, your violating property rights like a god damn communist.

and re: GDP if there's on thing I'm sure of if corbyn had been elected we would have been in a mess right now as the rich started fleeing the country and forign investors pulled there money out of the country. If corbyn had been elected this country would have been looking at a huge drop in the value of the pound right now as well as drops in stocks and investments, he wouldn't even have to change a thing and we would be looking at a huge dent in our economy.

But on the other hand bojo got elected and the value of the pound went up the FTS has seen a masive increse in value just by him being elected. now that we have put to rest some of corbyns more challenging economic policy's investment is up the EU is cucked and he's about to deliver them a massive hay maker. keep watching everything looking good right now economically with bojo in charge.
I'm sure it will drop soon enough but last I looked its looking good for the UK economy. (just looked been a drop since he put no deal back on the table) im sure we will be just fine without crusty corbyns socialism witch is a death nail to any economy.

When it comes to foreign policy no I'm not happy with the torys especially when it comes to China and the current ongoing protests in Hong Kong, screw Iran I'm incredibly ashamed of this country's coverage of what's happening in Hong Kong right now the torys aren't talking about it but I suspect being a communist we would have heard even less of it from comrade corbyn. in fact i rather think he would be in full support of china because if there's one thing you can trust to see from corbyn is that where there is a socialist dictator or a terrorist organisation corbyn will be there for a photo op or to talk them up and tell us all how progressive they are. hell the man supports hamas for gods sake.

Might wana take a look at article 6 of the hammas charter.

And screw the queen I'm Scottish I don't care for the monarchy so at least on that point me and the author are in agreement.

And as for the election defeat i have largely addressed this it was a mix of your weak brexit policy's and the fact that for years now the likes if you have talked down to us working class and called us names, you claim to represent the poor working class but we can see all too clearly the contempt you hold us in so you lost our respect and our vote.
Also you might want to fact check the garbage you link because labour lost 60 seats to the torys not 59 you gained 1 in putney/London meaning you where down 59 overall so your author is a dunce and cant even get that much right.

https://labourlist.org/2019/12/the-60-seats-labour-lost-in-the-2019-general-election/

Not going to address the next paragraph because it brings up immigration and I'm sure I will just get censored for my "racist opinions" nice try baiting me though.

And re: anti-Semitism he's right it is everywhere but damn its rampant in the labour party, did you even read the leaked labour anti-Semitism report (of course you didn't) your party's full of anti Semites its everywhere hell you even have EX BNP members in your party.

Have a look at this video and get a good laugh.



Absolutely loved that part near the end where your labour supporters got confronted with things corbyn had said under the premise that BoJo had said, All that moral outrage saying he should step down and when they find out it was corbyn who said it they changed there tune real quick hell one of them even went on to start an anti-Semitic rant in defence of corbyn spewing negative stereo-types about Jews lol

Can you say Cognitive dissonance LoL

gona ignore parts 5-6 because i dont know enough about those subjects to weigh in your author was at least right when he said: "no one understands trade deals, nor do you."

And lets not pretend you do either I'm sure anything you present will just be some trashy article that supports your narrative but lets be honest much like this p**s poor gish gallop it wont be your own opinions.

and re: education i got a right good laugh out of some of corbyns policys on education like his plans to end private education and deny you a right to choose a better future for your children, I mean its a deplorable attack on the free market but no surprise there from comrade corbyn, but do you honestly think doing away with private schools is a good thing ?forcing all our kids in to the god awful public education system where they need metal detectors to keep the kids safes because they are all stabbing each other.

And then there was his plans to teach the evils of British empire and colonialism in schools in that race and faith manifesto.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/25/jeremy-corbyn-promises-children-will-taught-evils-british-empire/

ooooooffffff

Seriously this man wanted to teach your children to hate Britain and shame white British children through original sin and stir up racial animosity among the ethnic minority's by feeding in to that already present racial marxisim that has spread all over Africa thanks to the likes of Robert Mugabe leading to an ongoing white genocide in south Africa. I suppose we wont care about that though and the fact the media dont want to talk about it we dont care about those guys they are white right ?

And if you wana see why this stuff makes me angry I suggest you look at this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/george-the-poet-rejected-mbe-pure-evil-british-empire

George is from Uganda you know as he said in that article ? lets take a look at Britain's history with Uganda shall we ?

https://thecommonwealth.org/our-member-countries/uganda/history

Turns out there was no rape of his country as he suggests. we where invited there we helped set up farms that we didn't own coz Uganda was never colonised and instead was a protectorate and we where even nice enough to help set up international trade for them and we where even nice enough to even build them a railway.
And in the end we left peacefully.

Where's the rape George you lying race baiting grifter LoL

And you wonder why i cant stand corbyn he clearly hates Britain, this is the slave morality that he wants to implant in your children and ethnic minority's so they can just go around blaming whites for there imagined problems, demonstrably true.

No thanks corbyn your education policy's suck.

Social mobility i had to laugh at this part when the author said the following:

"there are 3 key motors that prevent social mobility: inherited wealth, private education and inherited wealth."

hahahahahahahahahahaha did you even read this garbage before posting it seems your author cant count and had to use the same example twice hahahahahahahahahahaha god damn hilarious self own Michael Rosen you sir are an idiot. and your an even bigger one for posting something you clearly didn't take the time to read. it only highlights how you just googled some pro corbyn junk and proffered it as if you agree with it when you don't even know what it says.

Did you just read the headline and think this looks good ill get him with this LoL.

Again gona skip immigration too controversial for you lot to allow me free reign on this subject.

so now we are on to the last part of your awful gish gallop.

Housing what was it again that crusty corbyn promised us 150,000 homes a year and the same to follow year on year if I remember right. now lets take in to consideration for a moment since we have a below replacement level of birth rates here in the UK currently sitting at 1.7 when we need it to be around 2.2 or 2.3 for replacement levels please remind me just who are these houses for exactly ? Yeah you know who they are for NOT US but we are the ones who will pay for it right ?

Next time you try and gish gallop me I'm gona give it the attention it deserves and ignore it but don't let that fool you in to thinking you won because everyone here knows that your just employing a dishonest debate tactic because you lack the intelligence to have an opinion of your own instead you offer up someone else work as if its your own opinions, we all know its not it's just some garbage you didn't even take the time to read properly.

P.S You claim you don't hate me but you sure have thrown allot of insults my way for someone who claims not to have hatred in your heart towards me, wonder where all that anger comes from its certainly not from a place of love. you are fooling no one least of all me.

TheFinnster wrote:boring propaganda

How about you educate yourself a bit further? For starters:



There's plenty more out there you can educate yourself with, just try to keep away from the right-wing crap and maybe one day you'll see sense.

ill watch your garbage in a minute but I must point out you telling me to educate myself is a bit of a joke, and secondly you might want to take in to consideration that the video you linked is from way back in may and the leaked anti-Semitism reports only a few weeks old you so might want to get up to speed.

yet again just offering up stuff that suits your world view that you haven't thought through.


*Edit*

Ok watched it not sure what you think that proves just some dude making claims of Jewish conspiracy's to take down the labour party all unsubstantiated absolutely nothing solid there waste of time watching it if you ask me guess thats 3 minutes of my life I wont get back.

Its demonstrably true however that corbyn dose back hamas and id recommend you go read article 6 of the hamas charter, lets assume your Jewish conspiracy is true (all sounds like even more anti-Semitism if you ask me) I cant for the life of me imagine why the Jews would hate corbyn and the labour party when they are willing to back such an awful group.

here's a picture of him with some of them below. plenty of article about this incident if you actually take the time to look.



Also despite you asking me to read left wing media (witch i allready do) i suspect its you that's in the bubble and being close minded and i question if you even watched the video I linked because if you had you would have seen the part talking about the news article where corbyn had admitted the anti-Semitism in the labour party and apologised for it and yet here you are in absolute denial still. LoL

Even corbyn can admit there's a problem but you cant your a funny dude man I gota hand it to you.

TheFinnster wrote:sounding like a stuck record now

Funny how you deem the video clip I posted as "my garbage", even before you looked at it. Still, nothing you say surprises me, but your pathetic bleating is getting monotonous and deadly dull.

Regarding the general election, all the right-wing media say it's the worst Labour defeat since 1935. Yet Labour still received more votes in this election than they did with Miliband or Brown. Funny that...

Also, consider this you blinkered charlatan:
The Tory vote nationally increased by 300,000 to 13.9 million..of a total possible electorate of 52.4 million (including 4.9 million unregistered)..ie 26.5% of the total possible votes of all adults over 18.
73.5% did not vote Tory.
The Labour vote collapsed by 2.6 million votes..much of it may have stayed at home if the Tories only got 300,000 of it ... and there was a 6% fall in turnout in comparison to 2017.

Overall 31 million voted from a possible total of 52.4 million ... about 20.6 million did not vote for anyone.

15 million voted for 'Leave' Parties.
16 million voted for 'Remain/2nd Referendum' parties.

Tarquin Floatsam wrote: I still live with my mom

It was garbage though my assumption was correct and it was a safe bet to make because everything you have posted on this thread has been garbage in fact i found it incredibly offensive anti-Semitic like the kinds of stuff we have come to expect from a labour supporter talking s**t about Zionist conspiracy's

and re your post it reads as thus: if and buts candy and nuts

you got massacred and linking all those figures dosent change a damn thing even if you had proportional representation it would still only have gave you about an extra 6 seats or so the torys would still have won by a landslide

Face it this was like game of thrones red wedding for the labour party "Boris sends his regards looser"

TheFinnster wrote:Cant wait for the day you actually have an original thought of your own you might be dangerous then.

You're about as dangerous as a wet fart posing as a tornado. Tbh I've read too much almost identical crap on many other sites, spinning the same old mantra, so your thoughts are hardly original.

TheFinnster wrote:someone like you is so easy to defeat I know your arguments better than you I have them every day on 4chan and twiter and redit ect.

Oh nooo, I must bow down to the mighty finnster because he has defeated me! What am I going to do?

Oh, and if you have that one original thought how about throwing some other kind of insult instead of the overused "snowflake"? Still, good for you using reddit and 4chan, you must be proud to be a member of such wonderful sites.

Anyway this is my final response to you, I have better things to think about than a nonentity like you. Merry Brexit, "thefinnster".

"How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, That has such people in it!"

Tarquin Flotsam wrote: My mom still buys my clothes

HAh tarquin mate for someone that claims to not have time for a nonentity like me you sure have wasted allot of time on me on this thread and even this latest post shows that to me because I made that last post and it wasn't even up for a minute before I decided to edit it and tone it down and strip out some of the insults but somehow you managed to read it and post a response based on it.

Seriously man what are you doing camping the site hitting refresh don't you have a life ?

And if your fed up with the word snowflake (think it describes you hysterical screecher's perfectly) how about this one "usefull idiot"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot




And Retierd doser admin dosent want us talking about WC and what happened to it.

And if you don't mind don't conflate what we are as alt right if you dont mind, those guys are Ethno nationalist who believe in racial superiority they are every bit as much a joke as the far left, and the term far right is just another media slur as if to suggest we are so far to the right we exist outside the overton window with our socially unacceptable speech, (its only unacceptable to the far left) I prefer the term populist right, we are mostly liberals and working class men who reject identity politics/political correctness and socialism/authoritarianism in short we are everything they pretend to be.

And as for my views on employment I think everyone whose able bodied should want to get a job and improve there life (if they don't I consider it a failing on the government to properly incentive these people), once you have a job you should work hard to learn all aspects of the industry so as to make yourself indispensable to your employer and use that skill set that you build to leverage your worth to the company to get promotions/pay raises ect to improve your life so you can pursue the things that really make you happy.
I'm a big fan of setting goals for myself these day's and having a long term plan, I hope to one day take the skills I have learnt and start my own business and be an employer myself. harness your envy like a tool to guide you towards getting the things you want in life, all so I can peruse the things that truly make you happy witch for me these days is providing for my family.
Beyond that what's to say ? or are you looking for an opinion about something more specific ?

But any such reply will have to wait because I am off out of town on holiday today for the next two weeks.

but ultimately if you do get off your ase and go work you will be much more happier with your life and that's coming from personal experience as someone who wasted almost six years of my life being enabled by this pathetic slave morality before I finally snapped and had enough because of how unhappy it all made me. Fact is if you look yourself in the mirror every day telling yourself your a victim and its all someone else's fault while you place imagined barriers in your way its just a matter of time till you start to believe that one day and its not a good place to be psychologically, its incredibly destructive and damaging to your self esteem and confidence.

A select few here don't seem to like this message because it shines a light on them and there own self destructive behaviour so they take it as a personal insult rather than see it as the helpful advice its meant to be.





Anyway I gotta go do some last minute packing now so enjoy the holiday season hope you all have a good Christmas even you Tarquin and benefit bolshie may you find true happiness  in 2020.

See you in the new year.

What is the purpose of the content of this thread please?

Respect and Support for People Claiming Welfare Benefits Self-help, information and advice on how to prevent and challenge benefit sanctions. Support with ESA, PIP claims, the work programme and other mandatory schemes.

TheFinnster wrote:

And Retierd doser admin dosent want us talking about WC and what happened to it.

That would be a matter for Admin, not you.  
I have no wish to discuss it here or anywhere else.  
I was simply seeking info on it's existance.

TheFinnster wrote:

And if you don't mind don't conflate what we are as alt right if you dont mind,

I do mind.  Your opinion on what you are is irrelevant to my judgement of your true nature and character.



(Previous post edited to remove unsavoury refference.)

Welfare-Champion wrote:What is the purpose of the content of this thread please?

Respect and Support for People Claiming Welfare Benefits Self-help, information and advice on how to prevent and challenge benefit sanctions. Support with ESA, PIP claims, the work programme and other mandatory schemes.

BenefitsAdvice :: MAIN FORUM :: LOUNGE

Retired Dosser wrote:

Welfare-Champion wrote:What is the purpose of the content of this thread please?

Respect and Support for People Claiming Welfare Benefits Self-help, information and advice on how to prevent and challenge benefit sanctions. Support with ESA, PIP claims, the work programme and other mandatory schemes.

BenefitsAdvice :: MAIN FORUM :: LOUNGE

Welfare-Champion wrote:What is the purpose of the content of this thread please?

Respect and Support for People Claiming Welfare Benefits Self-help, information and advice on how to prevent and challenge benefit sanctions. Support with ESA, PIP claims, the work programme and other mandatory schemes.

The purpose of this thread has been hijacked. It is now being used as a tool to spread bile and slander and turn members and prospective members against each other and away from the Forum.

I am confident that the membership would stand with Admin 100%  if he chose to take the ultimate step to end it.

[quote="Welfare-Champion"]What is the purpose of the content of this thread please?

Respect and Support for People Claiming Welfare Benefits Self-help, information and advice on how to prevent and challenge benefit sanctions. Support with ESA, PIP claims, the work programme and other mandatory schemes.

Retired Dosser almost got it right, should be:

BenefitsAdvice :: MAIN FORUM :: LOUNGE : : RIGHT-WING PROPAGANDA

I see yet another extensive post by finnster, no doubt with insults/comments pilfered from 4chan or reddit, but I can't be bothered to read it as I've got more enjoyable things to do like jab a red hot poker in my ear.

Because of the personal insults I think this is now a good time to lock this topic.

Thanks for all the contributions.