General election 2019

Well it seems it is a ‘Black Friday the 13th’ for anyone on benefits! Has anyone heard of what the Tory has install for us on benefits, back to the 'Workhouse' is it!  


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50459517

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50459517

A sad day for the Labour Party. Disastrous if you’re unemployed, sick, disabled or on poverty pay. Any hope of better days or any sort of life cruelly snuffed out.

I wonder what the huge swathe of ex-Labour voters who voted Tory will do when the effects of UC hits them, and it will pretty soon when it starts getting rolled out now with a vengeance and increased vigour and venom.

From the Tory manifesto:

“A majority Conservative Government will deliver a major package of measures designed to ensure that it always pays to work, while doing everything we can to protect and support those who cannot – and to address the cost of living pressures
that we all face.”

It says very little of substance but the ‘promise’ of ‘a major package of measures’ sounds ominous.

Well hate to say i told you so (not really) but for the last two years now i tried to warn you this was coming.
I tried my best to drag the left back to a moderate stance and most of you just didn't want to listen, we told you how disgusting your far left seize the means of production and redistribution of wealth policy's where (call it what it is theft) I told you everyone was unhappy with your social justice and repugnant identity politics where, and I told you how you had abandoned liberal values and democracy.

But despite my best efforts (perhaps a failure on my part and my poor communication skills) you just didn't want to listen and instead some of you just doubled down and instead of hearing me out some of you just resorted to dirty tactics and tried your best to silence mock and deride me because you where so afraid of my message, I have lost count of the names you lot have called me and my fellow patriotic Brits.

Maybe you just assume you can talk over us as if we are dumb animals. But we are listening, to every word, every insult, every smear, every deliberate misrepresentation, and every disgusting slanderous lie. we've been listening carefully for the last three years or so. And we are getting educated you better believe it.
We can see all so clearly how you have derided our motives for voting as we did, while running off a whole lexicon of insults.

Small minded they called us, irresponsible, fearful, insular, blinkered, backwards, parochial, jingoistic, xenophobic, bigoted, ignorant, racist, Nazis, fascists, homophobic, transphobic, little Englanders, they called us and they are still doing it now.

Well now you have the attention of the people you mocked and derided and smeared for years now, how dose it feel ?

god knows why comrade Corbyn thought abandoning the white working class males of Britain was a good stance to take but its all backfired spectacularly now hasn't it ? I haven't seen such a political massacre since game of thrones red wedding.

wind the clock back 3 years ago and many of you who knew me on the old unemployment movement may remember I was not only uneducated and suffered from severe dyslexia, and was largely politically uninterested
But that all changed when the far left started calling me a Nazi for my opinions on mass migration and brexit, you pushed me out of the left that had voted for my whole life and light a fire under my ase.

I went out and took an educational course to overcome my dyslexia and i started reading books, not trashy books, I'm talking Voltaire, Adam Smith, John Locke, Friedrich Nietzsche, and many more all the great thinkers of the enlightenment.

I must confess most of it really escaped me and I didn't understand most of it, but i did understand enough of it to put it to good use in getting my point across and for the last two years now i have been everywhere on hundreds of forums with loads of different identity's and sock puppet accounts.

I started a you tube channel and a blog that's doing very well and little by little i turned hundreds if not thousands of moderate lefty's off of the labour party in order to teach you a much needed lesson on why liberal values are so important to a true democratic society.

Today all that hard work and effort has finally been rewarded by dealing such a massive blow to the labour party and i feel vindicated. this is revenge for all your unbridled hatred that many of you have sent my way over the years and towards the rest of the hard working British public who voted leave.

Now that you can see the change in the political sea that you helped to create you must know in your heart that things between us will never be quite the same, you lot initiated this with your hysteria, and now that you have the attention of the people you mock and deride, surely you can sense that in future many of us who where fairly uncommitted politically, will now be much more actively focussed on politics, and in particular in voting against you lot, and against everything you believe in at every opportunity, as a matter of principle and as a matter of urgency, in order to minimise there poisonous and destructive influence on our society.

We understand now what a narrow escape we had with brexit. And we understand how important it is for the free and healthy society that we want to live in, that people with there patronising, autocratic, elitist, and deeply anti democratic mindset are dangerous, and should be kept away from any form of political power over others.
And a word to the moderate left among you this post is not meant for you it is for the far left socialist communists among you.

To those far lefty's who abandoned and smeared us (especially those involved with the hack on welfare central) i think this video sums up exactly what id like to say to you all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBn-s36Ilnk

I should thank you because you made me the man i am today *slow clap*

Everyone who is going to suffer under the Tory party for the next few years is ALL ON YOU, because you pushed the moderate and the liberals like me out of the party and we returned the hatred you directed at us tenfold.
So in closing id just like to add i hope you all have learned a valuable lesson from all this nastiness, if you give hatred then hatred is what you will receive in return.

Lets hope the labour party learns there lesson and abandons all this ugly identity politics pushing god awful racial/gender identity politics and the false promise of a socialist utopia and that they return to the moderate left, perhaps next election we may find ourself's on the same side once more, and if not I will enjoy watching you all go down with the ship, rainbow flag flying high above the mast.

Now if you will excuse me i have a victory lap to take.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oopm3g3As6Y

-TheFinnster-

Committed Claimant wrote:I wonder what the huge swathe of ex-Labour voters who voted Tory will do when the effects of UC hits them, and it will pretty soon when it starts getting rolled out now with a vengeance and increased vigour and venom.

In a few years they will just blame Universal Credit failures on the EU and the last Labour governemnt

I don't know what will save the country these days :/

Barry-Lowlife
You have only been a member on this Forum for 3 or 4 months. Wherever you were trolling for 2 years it wasn’t here.

The only other two posts you posted on this Forum was the ones where you were asking for help and advice on how to counter efforts by your coach to change your claimant commitment, not a peep about all the crap you’re spouting now.

On that occasion several members tried to help you.

I posted at the time that there was something dodgy about you but some members sympathised with you nonetheless.

I didn’t quite realise what a snake in the grass you are. Well I hope you are happy now and that you seek advice in future from your new mates, who can’t have much time for you either if you choose to spend your time and limited intellect trolling on this Forum and not with them.

In the meantime, I would hope that the powers that be on this Forum will do what they can to show that scum like you are not welcome here.

ive been there myself -TheFinnster-

mine was with the fuel strike with the farmers and wagons
when it was just going over a pound in price so i kinda know a little bit about it

for striking with them i was spat at
threatened because i was there trouble for going places the public just wanted what they wanted stuff everyone else
had tires slashed wagon damaged by bricks

no matter how much you want to harp on about it makes no difference

when people are selfish think of themselves only

want everything now attitude

sorry but theres not much we can do about it if they dont want to get involved all we can do is just warn and organise our snippets of things to do

help others in need

when the push comes to the shove and its starts affecting workers or many people losing there jobs, pensions and theres not much left

then and only then may they get off and do something about it until then not much we can do

Well said claiment commitment and when you ban/delete my post all your members will see how you learned nothing and that you are just as liberal as i suspected and have no appreciation for free speech.

The reason I don't troll this forum is because I still have some respect for the members here and the cause.

And I do apologise to the members who fell for my rouse when I created the account especially pintel (you seem like a nice guy) it did make me feel bad, but it was all preparation for this day when I can stand here and say I told you so

p.s i dont need your help i have two jobs and have had for the last year

Well said gadily as much as some of you might hate me right now this is not the  path I would have chosen and it dose upset me the division that all this extreme politics that has lead us here I know most of the members here at not far left its just a small but loud vocal minority.
But that being said i am still upset about what happened to welfare central and all the unfounded smears against us these pepole have broken my heart more than you know.

Hope most of you can understand and perhaps one day forgive me.

just to make it clear hear i said my peace sometimes on UM when some of you guys went a little too far with a polite comment

that comment stands here as well

I dont see the point in arguing about certain subjects, as long as you keep it civil and friendly.

there was no need to remention WC either we are not them I made that perfectly clear last time

we are not left or right here, however people have a right of opinion or a say in the matter as long as its kept friendly and polight

to be honest here labour wasnt any better to vote for really

the policy was nearly the same except for claimed what they would do

if they said what you voted us in for you can then hold us accountable for theres no point putting someone else in power when all they are after is number one

on the other part labour really neavy said what brexit was all about

so heres my opinion on the subject

if we come out of the euro with no trade agreement with examples

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/aug/13/how-a-no-deal-brexit-threatens-your-weekly-food-shop

your food price is going up in price by such and such
your furniture is going up in price
your materials is going up in price
your fuel is going up

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201719/ldselect/ldeucom/129/129.pdf

we simply have no trade agreement

however for a trade agreement with euro we have to except the euro rules

whilst the tories erode peoples rights whilst we are also in euro we have the same rights as they do

we come out of euro we are no longer eligibal for the grants people seem to forget

that the central heating system install was from a euro grant
insulation in buildings also a euro grant
draught excluders also a euro grant
some play grounds are a euro grant
local comunity centers also a euro grant

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/10/question-eu-done-european-funding-britain-local-area

so heres your food

meat

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/951611/brexit-news-us-meat-safe-eat-uk-american-farmers-union-roger-johnson

https://www.theguardian.com/animals-farmed/2018/feb/21/dirty-meat-shocking-hygiene-failings-discovered-in-us-pig-and-chicken-plants

welcome to usa dirty meat

In 2013, a cultured burger – meaning animal cells grown in a bioreactor rather than a pretentious patty – cost about €250,000 (~$325,000 at the time). During a conversation with The Register before Friday's keynote, Jonathon Parrish, a bioengineer at New Age Meats, which is working to develop scienced sausage, estimated that the cost today would be more like 100x farm-raised meat.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/16/cultured_meat_expo/

chlorinated chicken

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/06/us-chlorinated-chicken-trade-deal-agriculture

The meat lobby wants the sale of growth hormone-fed beef, ... Such a move would make it easier for small businesses to export to the UK

ref

US firms seek changes to UK standards on beef and drugs

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2018-02-21/dirty-us-meat-could-come-over-here-after-brexit

Our investigation has revealed a catalogue of hygiene failings in recent years in some major US meat plants producing poultry, beef and pork products. These include breaches relating to the contamination of carcasses, inadequate cleaning, insanitary conditions and other failings of key hygiene standards.

US campaigners are calling for a change in the law, which currently allows meat with salmonella to be sold. One in seven of the US population contracts a food-borne illness every year at present, compared to just over one in seventy in the UK.

Unpublished US government records highlight numerous specific incidents. These include:

I think comrade Corbyn's policy's where much worse myself i'm certain his socialist communist style policy's would have destroyed our economy and turned our country in to a south American socialist style of government similar to that of Venezuela.

His policy's on brexit where incredibly weak and revealed he didn't actually have a plan (prety sure he was always hoping to overturn the referendum to leave) his voter base where all largely remainers and he is surrounded by remainers in the labour party, I don't think there's a single person on labours front bench who is a leave supporter.
I think its more likely if he pushed for a deal to leave the EU his own party would have  stabbed him in the back and ousted him as leader and replaced him with a remainer.

As to leaving the EU with no deal I'm confidant we will reach an amicable agreement with them over the coming weeks. Did you see that twitter post from Guy verhofstadt yesterday ?

It reads:

"Brexit will now happen. The British people have confirmed their referendum decision of 2016. The EU must now focus on building a new close, fair and lasting partnership with Britain. It is in our common interest."

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Can you say cucked LoL. We have them right where we want them, now is the time for bojo to make some last minute amendments to the deal we have on the table.
The EU don't want to loose our business it would be a terrible move for them I have said this all along and they are practically confirming it themselfs now they have been cucked.

When it comes to all those grants we are losing you do realise this is just our own money being doled out back to us right ? I am not so naive as to believe what bojo said during the referendum how we can spend all that money on our NHS (we could if we wanted to) but more likely it will need to be divided to areas we need it to go potentially funding some of those same things we received via EU grants. I think we can decided better than the EU where that money can be best spent rather than having it dictated to us by a foreign power.

And re: erosion of our rights did you hear that speech from Angela merkel a couple of weeks ago where she talked about introducing more hate speech laws and waffled on some nonsense about how she values free speech and how she wanted to protect  our rights by taking them away from us *honk honk* clown world stuff right there.

She's really pressing my buttons that one. Free speech is something I strongly believe in and its the move of an authoritarian communist or a fascist take your pick they are cut from the same cloth.

See for yourself.

https://www.hoover.org/research/sordid-origin-hate-speech-laws

Some points of interest there worth mentioning.

"As pointed out by Johannes Morsink, this highly politicized perspective clearly demonstrated that the Soviet proposal would be targeted not just at Nazism but also against agitation in favour of capitalism and liberal democracy, and in all likelihood against any other political ideology than the supposed real democracy of communism."

Was he wrong ? cant you see it all in today's far leftist ? Try criticising any of there beliefs like mass migration, or there LGBQT causes, or Islam, Black lives matter, or militant groups like momentum and see what you get.
I guarantee you that it wont take long before you will be accused of hate speech no mater how well thought out or rational your argument is.

And latter it states regarding article 20:

"The voting record reveals the startling fact that the internationalization of hate-speech prohibitions in human rights law owes its existence to a number of states where both criticisms of the prevalent totalitarian ideology as well as advocacy for democracy were strictly prohibited. Moreover, the grandiose arguments these states advanced in favour of Article 20 seem — at best — highly disingenuous considering the systematic official propaganda of the communist states."

Sorry but the EUHRC and there human rights charter is not worth the paper its written on, this organisation has been infiltrated by communist authoritarians who are eroding the fundamental principals on witch human rights where built on.

I rather think we would be better off out of it all and make our own British bill of rights.

The EU cannot be trusted to protect our rights, I would rather see that power in the hands of our own democratically elected officials who will have accountability to us via the usual democratic process.

Say what you will about the Tory's but at least they still believe in individual rights based on the liberal principals of Individualism (not as strongly as id like) witch is in absolute contrast to the labour party witch is largely driven by communist collectivism and advocates for group rights and hate speech laws witch is eroding equality before the law.
Hell they had the audacity to release a race and faith based manifesto, like that's not alarming to us liberals, the last time we seen anyone wave around a race based manifesto it was the Italians and the Nazis. scary stuff if you ask me.

This is one of my core reasons for despising what the labour party has become, because I believe in equal rights that apply to everyone equally no mater what your race/gender/sexual preference, the labour party and there idea of equality is nothing but an outright twisted lie and must be resisted at all costs. This divisive "me first" attitude will eventually tear the fabric of British society apart and cause it to self-destruct in a fireball of competing ideologies, none of which truly recognizes each other's validity.

The collectivism that identity politics of the labour party's warped way of thinking has lead to must be resisted at all costs and replaced with individualism because by standing up for the individuals rights you are strengthening your own rights.

Group think is poop think.

As for chlorinated chicken I have heard both arguments for it and I'm undecided and am on the fence regarding that. I don't know nearly enough to make a sound argument for or against it as this point so i will just have to adopt a wait and see attitude and allow those who do know what they are talking about make that argument.

P.S please don't alter my posts like that Admin I don't see any reason why you couldn't have said that in your own response post, And if you absolutely feel like you must at least add something like EDIT: ADMIN between where my words end and your begin its very confusing what you have done and makes it seem like my words.

-TheFinnster-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akbzRuZmqVM

barry.L wrote:Utter twaddle

No, I'm sure your posts won't be deleted, thefinnster, so everyone can see what a vile propogandist you are. Still, carry on posting your garbage at unemployment-gb where you have an attentive audience, most of who have been completely hoodwinked by the likes of you.

barry.L wrote:I rather think we would be better off out of it all and make our own British bill of rights.
The EU cannot be trusted to protect our rights, I would rather see that power in the hands of our own democratically elected officials who will have accountability to us via the usual democratic process.

Who is this "we" you speak of. Who exactly is going to make "our own" British bill of rights? If it's the malignant Tories, we'd be better off under the protection of the EU. As for "our own" democratically elected officials, we do have those in the EU you know? They're called MEPs, we have 73 of them representing the UK. Maybe that escaped your attention?

Tarquin you disappoint me such disrespect, its very uncalled for have I not spoken to you respectfully in the past and have we not had reasonable discussions with each other in the past ? this hatred is uncalled for and its the very reason your lot lost this election and why I turned against the labour party and its supporters with a vengeful passion.

And those 73 are often overruled by the rest of the 751

I suggest you have a read over my original post again and try and learn from it and mend your ways I will leave you with some words from my favourite philosopher.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche-

Or if you have the wit for it something a little more cryptic to ponder on.

Even in your folly and despising ye each serve your Self, ye despisers of the body. I tell you, your very Self wanteth to die, and turneth away from life.
No longer can your Self do that which it desireth most:—create beyond itself. That is what it desireth most; that is all its fervour.
But it is now too late to do so:—so your Self wisheth to succumb, ye despisers of the body.
To succumb—so wisheth your Self; and therefore have ye become despisers of the body. For ye can no longer create beyond yourselves.
And therefore are ye now angry with life and with the earth. And unconscious envy is in the sidelong look of your contempt.
I go not your way, ye despisers of the body! Ye are no bridges for me to the Superman!—
Thus spake Zarathustra.

P.S admin i suggest you have some words with your members I am taking the high road here and not lowering myself to there level and responding in kind with some personal insults of my own, I always speak respectfully to member's even when I disagree with them but when I get insulted like this I do have a tendency to hit back and i'm absolutely savage when I'm off the leash.
I would rather avoid such unpleasant behaviour I hope you can see where all this nastiness is coming from its certainly not me, and if I do feel forced to respond in kind you know why, If that happens I hope you will not have a go at me for defending myself, better you get them in line now and teach them a lesson in mutual respect.

barry.L wrote:Tarquin you disappoint me such disrespect, its very uncalled for have I not spoken to you respectfully in the past and have we not had reasonable discussions with each other in the past ? this hatred is uncalled for and its the very reason your lot lost this election and why I turned against the labour party and its supporters with a vengeful passion.

No it isn't the reason this election was won by the Tories. If you're so educated, why don't you consider looking at the arguments for why Corbyn would have been better for this country, instead of dishing out the same old tripe which is so full of lies it's criminal. A high majority of the media were scared stiff of the Tories being ousted, which is why they filled their newspapers with so much crap which sadly too many believed. So, when this country is on it's knees in about 2-3 years time, who you going to blame then? Johnson made a total mess of London, I can't see he'll be any different "running" the UK.

Also, you blab on and on at the other "employment" site about freedom of speech, and how "hate-speech" should not be censored. So, on that basis I will use my freedom of speech to call you an utter blowhard who spreads hatred wherever you find enough fools to take you at your word.

Corbyns only good for slave minded fools like you who wont get off your ase and go get the finer things in life for yourself because you cant compete on a fair playing field you weaklings just want to make us all equal - equally weak that is. That's why corbyns policy's appeal to you because your a weak slave mind, no thanks I think ill pass on corbyn's commie policy's I can do better myself because I'm not weak like you.

HaHa media scared stiff I wonder why? could it be that they know communism isn't good for business whoda thought LoL. And the public are smarter than you give them credit for ya dumb narcissist if you had an ounce of understanding about liberalism you would know people like us believe that together the people represent a wisdom far greater than  my own or yours (for what that's worth not much in my book), your patronizing attitude somehow assumes them to be dumb animals who will believe any old trash the media feed them and they lack the intelligence to see through the lies on there own. this is exactly why your a narcissist because in your arrogance you think you know better than EVERYONE else.

This is exactly the kind of attitude I'm talking about that cost you the election all that condescension and totally uncalled for insults and smears, you have revealed to us your true inner ugliness, so so you have lost not only our trust but also our respect. consequently you lost that upper hand you always took for granted. And you did it all to yourself.

And please stop talking bulls**t about what I think about how hate speech shouldn't be banned if you had half a brain and actually read what I had to say on free speech you would no I don't believe in the concept of hate speech period, so your premise is flawed my argument is that SPEECH should not be censored you ignoramus.

So go ahead and exercise your right to free speech as long as Admin allows it but don't forget you only have that right because of liberals like us ya stupid boot licker.

How long are the administrators going to tolerate the bile and the scurrilous attacks on Forum members who genuinely try to do the right thing and help others.

Surely having 2 accounts on the Forum can’t be in order, especially when he uses them for trolling and abusing the membership.

Its not so long ago in one of his incarnations that he was telling us that both he and his brother were reduced to reliance on food banks after years of health issues and hardship on benefits. Perhaps that might have been a ruse too, part of his cunning plan to eradicate Socialism. Or perhaps he was deliberately stealing the food destined for those whose needs were more acute than his with his two jobs.

Back in those days he used to call those who are now his heroes and new mates ‘Tory scumbags’.

They say 'if you can't beat them join them' Looks like this is what he's done. Sad really, more to be pitied than blamed.

actualy i asked a long time ago if 2 accounts was ok and i was told yes so deal with it
as as to spewing bile look in the mirror your last post you insulted my intelligence you far left cult zealot so shut your mouth
and your absolutely lying I used a foodbank once at Christmas time to get an energy voucher over a year ago when I was out of work so shut your mouth stop making up lies i didt say anything about haveing health problems you intellectual fraud that you are benefit bolshivik your pathetic.

ripped off any more professors papers lately fraudster?

And ill admit i have never been a big fan of the tory and i still have mixed feelings about them they are not the party i would have liked to vote for but lets be honest we where all voting tactically this time around and i want brexit above all else, so for the first time in my life i voted for them so deal with it and as to calling them tory scumbags i dont recall ever calling them that but i might have done once or twice and cant remember I usually call them cronie capitalists, but if I'm honest it sounds more like your sort of rhetoric because hatred is what drives you far lefty's.
Must confess i have come to see them somewhat as heroes lately given they saved us from starvation in the socialist utopia.

I told you if you give hate you'll get it back in return but you don't seem to want to learn do you ?

Go crawl back in to your hole fraudster.

p.s if your reading this caker you know fine well I told you how I had started work back in January when we talked about Jordan peterson so please do me a favour if you have a shred of respect for me and expose this lying fraudster for what he is.

The depth of dishonesty that this guy will go to in order to smear me is truly despicable.

He's nothing short of a teenage gossip girl trying to destroy the other popular girl because he's threatened by me, last time we tangoed I turned him in to a joke and he's still but hurt about it.
Gossip, moralizeing, rally, and shame, these are the tools of a gossip girl and you can see them all present in his post as he try's to spread his gossip and try's to rally the community to his side and shame me for my past use of foodbanks and moralising trying to take the high road accuse me of spreading bile when all along he's the one starting trouble with his personal insults aimed at me as you all can see from his first reply where he insulted me.

You are a truly contemptible human being benefit bolshevik.

TheFinnster wrote:more garbage

Seriously, sod off back to the other forum where you can spout to your heart's content all of your xenophobic, homophobic, racist/islamophobic, hypocritical, misogynistic (yes I've seen your posts on the other forum showing your hatred towards women) bile. You keep on with the same old shite, and want "respect"? You are a stain on humanity and everything that is wrong with this world today, you should crawl back into whatever pit of despair you emerged from and never bother the decent people on this forum ever again.

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To admin: Please don't delete these posts, people need to see what kind of person "thefinnster" is. Maybe just lock the thread and ban this insipid heap of crap from here.

nice to see you learned your lesson tarquin and not content with doubling down your now tripling down with more of the same name calling that cost you the election haha .
And for the record I love women I detest feminists though and have no shame in that but you do realise they only make up 8-9% of the women of this country most self respecting women don't want anything to do with them.

And the only ones on this form who are upset about my presence is you and benefit bolshevik because your such intolerant people.

you see I came here with my honest opinion and i was polite I didn't call anyone names and go launching personal attacks and you admin took the right approach and engaged me respectfully based on the substance and merit of my argument and I responded likewise with respect and we can have a little bit of a friendly bit of political discussion with each other even if we disagree with each other.
Call it a little bit of friendly political sparing if you will, you on the other hand cant see me in the same light I rather think you see me as an ENEMY to be DESTROYED, its why you and those like you are authoritarian communists, folk like you cant allow any criticism of the things you have been brain washed in to believing and see it all as something to be eradicated by any means necessary no matter how low you have to stoop to achieve that.
Your way of thinking if left unchallenged will lead to nothing but an authoritarian one party style of government, sounds more like a dystopian nightmare future from Orwels 1984.

Just take a look at those riots we saw outside downing street from your lot, those of you with no respect for democracy who believe in using violent means to achieve there goals. I wonder what they would have done had they forced there way past the police and over ran downinging street and number 10. your the true fascists in society and people are waking up to you.

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Thats the true face of your cult take a good long hard look at what you lot have become.

Keep it up don't learn from your mistakes its just a matter of time till the moderates finally lose patience with you and decide that we cant possibly peaceful co-exist with each other and then your going to see some real fascism.

If your lucky we might just imprison you, and if your unlucky you might find yourself up against the wall, or perhaps we might see a revival of the free helicopter tours of the Pinochet regime.

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Its not the path I want society to go down I'm trying to warn you of the path your on so we can correct it, don't you get it I'm trying to SAVE YOU from that course we are on, but if you refuse to listen and just keep acting immorally and it happens I will not lift a finger to help you, I will be the proverbial china man sitting by the riverside watching as the body's of my enemy's float by.

Tarquin Flotsam wrote:

TheFinnster wrote:more garbage

Seriously, sod off back to the other forum where you can spout to your heart's content all of your xenophobic, homophobic, racist/islamophobic, hypocritical, misogynistic (yes I've seen your posts on the other forum showing your hatred towards women) bile. You keep on with the same old shite, and want "respect"? You are a stain on humanity and everything that is wrong with this world today, you should crawl back into whatever pit of despair you emerged from and never bother the decent people on this forum ever again.

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To admin: Please don't delete these posts, people need to see what kind of person "thefinnster" is. Maybe just lock the thread and ban this insipid heap of crap from here.

I agree with you whole-heartedly. And second your plea to Admin. Lock this thread, it had served its purpose after the second post. I’m not too bothered about deleting the whole thread either, it can remain as a constant reminder that however bad things might get there is always someone less fortunate.

This thread was started by Pintel with a legitimate query. No personal insults or abusive language from which anyone could possibly take offence.

I responded with an answer, equally amicable and uncontroversial.

Then this delusional offence to humanity, of whom I was blissfully unaware, then began posting his bile. An outpouring of abusive, offensive language and threats, a sure sign of a sad and lonely man, despite his claims of having amassed thousands of converts to his cause ready to teach us all a lesson.

He now claims to be some holier than thou victim who is merely trying to put us all on the straight and narrow for our own good.

I didn’t realise this Forum was such a threat to his legions that we deserve their undivided attention and a daily dose of this. Best to put them out of their misery and ease their anxiety.

Oh man you do make me laugh i cant help but feel like this last post of your offers nothing new and is just a reiteration of your previous post witch yet again skirts the issues and refuses to address anything i have said.

Just more of your slurs and illiberal attempts to have me banned how long wil it be till you start your autistic screeching like you did on welfare central and saying wagggghhhhh kick him or I'm leaving (Its what he did seriously ). all so you don't have to deal with me (because your are afraid of me) so you can live comfortably in your echo chamber without anyone to challenge your poorly thought out arguments. Like that time you said "seize the means of production" i would bet my last dollar you have never read the book that drivel comes from "the communist manifesto" much less a book on the importance of property rights and why what your advocating for is so immoral.

and I'm no holier than though victim as you put it only those who suffer from the slave morality of the herd like you think that way.

If I am anything I am an immoralist and an individual with my own unique perspective on the world and unlike you i don't seek to impose that on others and treat them like trash when they reject my words.

Or rather I think you reject my words because it exposes the lie you live.

Allow me  to school you with some more philosophy, not that I expect you to understand one bit of it because you seem to have problems understanding my straight forward plain talking posts as it is but here goes.

“My brother, if you have a virtue and she is your virtue, then you have her in common with nobody.” Even naming one’s virtue would make her too common; if one must speak of her, it should be: “This is my good; this I love; it pleases me wholly; thus alone do I will the good. I do not will it the law of a god; I do not will it as human statute and need”. -Thus Spake Zarathustra-

As to putting you on the straight and narrow you can accept my words or not.

“A light hath dawned for me: I need companions, living ones, not dead companions and corpses which I carry with me wherever I wish. But I need living companions who follow me because they want to follow themselves— and who want to go where I want to go.” -Thus spake zarathurstra-

To me the likes of you are nothing but slaves to your own warped self loathing mindset trapped by your own envy and self loathing and  but your incapable or unwilling to see it.  You would rather use that hatred and envy like a club to beat your betters over the head with to bring them down to your level rather than use that self loathing and envy as a tool and a guide to the things you really want in life "To create beyond yourself"

You are the most contemptible man you are "The Last man"

https://www.dhaydock.org/Philosophy/Taylor/Last%20men.pdf

And please stop trying to twist my words and accuse me of making threats I clearly told you in my last post it was a warning you malcontent cowardly fraudster. you seem to love takeing me out of context and smearing me I'm sure if I farted you'd accuse me of a poison gas attack.

And no I don't see you as a threat in anyway whatsoever you simply dont have the reach but rather i see your community as something to be enlightened and I see myself more like a prophet of sorts. (A little conceited of me I know)

"Behold I am a prophet of the lightning  and a heavy drop from the cloud: But this lightning is called Superman." -Thus spake Zarathustra-

I don't expect you to understand any of that because you have never picked up a real intellectual book in your life , that's my guess but hey prove me wrong, i suspect you will just call it trash and hurl some more insults like you have always done in all your dealings with me and refuse to address any of the real issues.

And if readings not your thing try this you might actually find it enlightening (It helped me allot) and find the will to break free of your self imposed prison of slave morality and seek the path to the superman.

( admin edit video removed )

I suspect it will melt your tiny little brain though especially if you haven't read any of Nietzsche's other works.

Abandon your ideology of victim hood embrace and ideology of self improvement instead be better than you where yesterday guys, don't listen to this fool or me for that matter unless it pleases you, find your own way in life don't be sheep, be the person you where meant to be. I believe in you even if you cant see it yourself, You can do better than settling for the mediocrity that benefit bolshevik would have in store for you.

I WANT MORE FOR YOU.

To be honest here, Ive let it run on purpose

2 accounts arnt really allowed

but not much we can do about it until we find out then one has to go

On another note people always have to remember what you say or post on any forums can and will follow you its the price you pay if your recognised on another forum

however if you hadnt chosen the path that you did you wouldnt have brought the subject back up

I was going to edit your post finnster but then changed my mind and instead replied to it

I presume i made a mistake instead of replying to the post id done an edit i own up to that one

( admin edit video removed )

referes to the video links sorry it dosnt belong in this thread

however i will ask you not to post that freemans type/style of rubbish up if you dont mind

after reviewing stuff of theres ive ended up a bit like tt not keen on that bile of rubbish

its more of a cult following and are trying to push there beliefs onto others when infact we need a bunch of rules they are fine to use the rules when it suits them but on others they oppose them

you cant have one without the other

I will not remove it or delete the post thread

however if i need to do i will edit it

now i know paul (admin on other forum ) had an account on here im aware of another

out of respect for every member on here id like to ask members to respect others

you cant blame one for the loss of the vote it was many that choose that way

a reminder

Admin wrote:ive been there myself -TheFinnster-

no matter how much you want to harp on about it makes no difference

when people are selfish think of themselves only

want everything now attitude

sorry but theres not much we can do about it if they dont want to get involved all we can do is just warn and organise our snippets of things to do

its the same on any forum out there weather we like it or not

the public will only do something when its to late or when theyve had enough until then all we can do is help and advice others

Not sdure what comparison you see between Zarathustra and the free men if you had read or listend to it youd know its about the philosophy of self improvement and individualism and achieving a higher state of being aka the overman, or the superman, or the Ubermensch (it vary's a bit from translations) its bit more complicated than that but it would take me a whole other long post to go in to it but it has nothing to do with the freemen on the land and i share little in common with them. I think some here could learn a thing or two from that book as I said it helped me allot in striving to overcome myself and my own short comings.
you say its not relevant here but id respectfully disagree and ask you reconsider your stance on this as I'm sure like me you want the best for everyone here and when you get down to it what possible harm can a philosophical book on self improvement really do ?
I think your doing your user base a disservice by denying them that opportunity to decide for themselves.
The freemen of modeern times are nothing like the fictitious charachter/story of zarathustra they are idiots who think they can ignore laws selectively like refusing to pay council tax or road tax on there vehicles based on antiquated and outdated laws,(i respect the law for the most part) every time I see a video about them they always end up getting arrested and the courts don't take kindly to them I have never seen one of these freemen win, I have little to nothing in common with them.

If you think otherwise please by all means elaborate so I can understand what you are getting at and when i understand your definition of freeman i will try avoid that type of content.

And re two accounts this is something I brought up a while back and I was told (not by you that it was ok so long as I don't break the forum rules and if you say its not ok I'm perfectly fine with that and am in total agreement with you.
feel free to ban the Barry L account (preferably without removing my posts) I wont be offended and I will stick to using this one but id suggest you get to banning that other elephant cycle account while your at it because we both know its someone's sock puppet account and its the reason I brought up the whole two accounts thing long ago.
You really should add something to your ToS about one account per user as sock puppet accounts can be pretty dangerous when used in a malicious manner and ill admit there was some duplicity behind the Barry L account but no real malice at least.

And as you say its not one person who cost the labour party the election its a whole bunch of them shame you removed that video showing the riots of there lot down in London because it was very relevant to the conversation and shows many of this narrow minded and undemocratic illiberal lot and what they are all about (the tyrany of true fascisim that's in store for all of us if this lot are left unchallenged) you say the public will only do something about it when its too late or when they have had enough.

THATS EXACTLY MY POINT.

I am trying to advise them so we can change direction of the course we are on, sure you can see that people like me are sick fed up of there refusal to respect both us and democracy, surely you can see where all this is headed if they don't mend there ways ?
I don't want society to end up in such a dark place because I truly believe in democracy, and democracy is like a bird it needs two strong wings to fly (both a left and a right) this lot want to destroy anything to the right of them because they are the true fascists in society they will lead us to a one party democracy.
And on the flip side if things turn ugly and the worst should happen when we finally decide we cant peacefully co-exist that will just lead to a right wing version one party democracy when leftism is criminalised.

I want neither of those options so I use my voice at every opportunity to try and wake them up and make them aware of there folly.

These lot are on the extreem of the left and i reject any political ideology when taken to the extreme be it real far right or far left or even my own personal beliefs of liberalism taken to the extreme gives us neo liberals, I reject them all they are dangerous self obsessed narcissistic people and its up to us moderate voices to call them out and stop them.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” -Edmund Burke-