Over 50's training.

Hi, just had call from Job Centre, anyone heard of Phoenix  Training, they are running courses for the over 50's? My next appointment is on the phone on May 12th, not every two weeks ,which is what I expected. They must have a lot more calls to make!

It's most likely a scam. There's no such a thing as training for the over 50s. We have plenty of knowledge and experience that we can train others with.

mintsue wrote:Hi, just had call from Job Centre, anyone heard of Phoenix  Training, they are running courses for the over 50's? My next appointment is on the phone on May 12th, not every two weeks ,which is what I expected. They must have a lot more calls to make!

All I have found with a quick look on the net.

Andy Briggs, Chair of Business in the Community’s Age Leadership Team, Group CEO, Phoenix Group and Government Business Champion for Older Workers, said:

“Today’s data from the DWP shows the growth trend in over 50’s employment that had continued for over a decade has stopped. The chilling truth is that this trend has already gone into reverse. Although the decline in employment between Q1 and Q2 of this year is slight, it is a worrying sign of the full economic impact to come for those over 50.”

https://www.bitc.org.uk/news/chilling-signs-of-the-impact-of-covid-19-on-older-workers/

You are entitled to ask for further information from DWP before making an infomed decision.

Miguel1975 wrote:It's most likely a scam. There's no such a thing as training for the over 50s. We have plenty of knowledge and experience that we can train others with.

The only "training" they might mean is a 'Cat sat on the mat" course #Miguel? Unless it is a way to massage the jobless figures, from the JCP .
You have to see it from an employer's perspective, why employ an individual over +50, with no doubt health mileage on their clock. When you can get a young fit and healthy person, instead. Just look at the 'kickstart' Scheme, for 16-24 yr olds... Maybe they could create a Scheme for the 50+, "Requires Maintenance" program ...

https://kickstart.campaign.gov.uk

Pintel wrote:
You have to see it from an employer's perspective, why employ an individual over +50, with no doubt health mileage on their clock. When you can get a young fit and healthy person, instead. Just look at the 'kickstart' Scheme, for 16-24 yr olds... Maybe they could create a Scheme for the 50+,  "Requires Maintenance" program ...

You have obviously not learnt much from life yet.

Miguel1975 wrote:

Pintel wrote:

You have obviously not learnt much from life yet.

Sorry #Miguel1975, maybe it is me being 'slow' here. But could you clarify what you meant by the comment

Pintel wrote:

Miguel1975 wrote:



You have obviously not learnt much from life yet.

Sorry #Miguel1975, maybe it is me being 'slow' here. But could you clarify what you meant by the comment

There is nothing to clarify. What you said in your previous comment is total rubbish about over 50s being sick and the young being fit. Maybe you are sick but I am way fitter and more productive than the lazy and useless English yobs half my age who always turn up late because they've been drinking too much.

I recently walked out of a job because my line leader called me "old and slow" and comments like Pintel's just piss me off.

I think this thread needs to be closed, as it is going off topic with #Miguel1975 postings?

Well, this all rings alarm bells with me as the deluded political view at roach central is 50+ year olds are as fit and capable as a 21 year old. Unfortunately back in the real world one of which dwp etc don't live in. They do actually sell it to the masses that all jobs,any job's, any age is good. If someone is 40+ been out of work for say, 3 years. Unless there is a serious skills shortage in their previous sector won't have a hope in hell of getting hired. Dosent matter if the person happens to be as fit as an athlete. Health is a serious issue and is negatively impacted by age for many. As is hidden ageism at interview stage. Depending on one's view,this was ll pre Covid -19 and the best is yet to come in that they haven't a hope in hell of making the employment situation work financially good for 75% of all employees.Wages vs expenditure is off the scale in the UK and europe.Thats not going to change until someone invents the Car again and more importantly ...We! actually start building it.

I see UC effectively as a universal basic income but with mental torture attached to the deal that being interventions with roach shop.If that's the way it's to be...so be it .

The problem with working in today's highly competitive world is they've invented a system that unless one is willing to work for shirt buttons their a lazy scumbag. Add to this the endless micro management that goes on and there is very little incentive to work for very many. As long as you are willing to carry your own piss bottle. The employers happy do I have any candidates....

But, I take Pintels point.There are many who, just won't even get out of bed etc. Just as there are, some...who can't.

That's my blabber, now for a pint. Just joking...a coffee

I been wondering what 'over 50's training' they provide. Seems like an 'Emperor's new clothes' course to me.
Any brochure or website for this company? Still I can't wait to find out .

No doubt Pintel, be more of the same old crap leading people down a dead end.

It wouldn't be a 'Catsat on the mat' course. For most of the "Participants". It would be "Dinosaur 🦖 sprawled on doormat"... Still there must be money in this "Silver-service (over 50's job lunch club)" providers????

I hear their in the process"hard at work" designing an old silver heads joke club. You have to bring your own biscuits, tea and coffee due to the extra UC £20.IF you have a 'strong work ethic'you can stay all day, and after, party with roaches .Think I'd seriously puke bucket loads. "Let us see in a infomal setting why you've been out of work so long."Nothing to do with 2008 then, and now, worst recession of all time about to get cracking.
Roach shop just can't help themselves. "It must be your cv or interview skills". Nothing to do with 20 people applying for 1 job...nothing to do with that then = certified morons.

This thread shows there are a lot of negative stereotypes about the over-anything. In any case, I have decided that I am not going to look for any new job and will focus on starting a business, however long its going to take. I am fed up with being managed by youngsters half my age who have no respect for my skills and the contribution I can give, so fuck it!

Good for you Miguel1975. But, if you wasn't already aware the stupid UC regs etc hold people back effectively from following that dream in that: Be prepared to be effectively taxed at 63%.The rules surrounding self employment are totally insane and if you are on UC at the moment; I strongly urge you to look into them an the scenario's that surround all their crap. There is a reason why roach shops like to promote the idea of self employment to unemployed, and its not, to financially help us.

Basically, while you are slogging away trying to better yourself they will be taxing you so much, you will need to be working 24/7 literally! to make the business work.

Its ok to be optimistic and resilient, with the idea of that 'it doesn't matter how long it takes to get the business up and running etc'. But, it could be very very long. And meanwhile, you will have roach shop etc breathing down your neck while you try to break free from their chains of UC.

If these morons would allow people to start a business until it started to show a regular profit, and then allowed people to sign off from UC, that would be fine. As such, they haven't a bloody clue how business works or how long it takes to make regular profits and the system backfires for most on UC.

I might not be too clear. Have a chat with self employed advisor from roach shop an you will see what you will be up against by going self employed while on UC. Good luck though.

If money is of no consequence for you then none of what i describe will be relevant to you. Then you, can just proceed and follow your dream free from the ball and chain conditionality. Its the system most are effectively tied to on here that stops many .

jobberpw, I get all of your points and don't think I am not worried by that, however:

1) There's literally zero chance I can have a career at my age
2) I can not live on benefits forever
3) I still have almost 20 years to pension age
4) There are loopholes, for example have a part time PAYE job that pays more than the profits you make from your business, in which case the minimum income floor doesn't apply.

Hi Miguel1975,

No worries. Not preaching to you Miguel, but, i understand the whole system as unfortunately been governed by it 5+ years.

Taking that into consideration for many starting their own business is effectively the best way out of this hell, especially, if someone is in the older age group. I still have 10 years left before retirement but, at this rate, it could be 15 years.

I also appreciate after being in business how hard it is to start one and particularly in a climate like we have to day.

That doesn't mean that you will not succeed though. And the best of luck to you if you do.

Hey Good Luck to you #Miguel1975. We have all been there busting your 's off for nothing! Thinking that your hardwork/long hrs of overtime, will be rewarded by the company. It hasn't been my experience ( maybe that is why I am bitter). I've worked for plenty of small companies for year's. Only to get pushed over for a promotion, for a family member . And to be told by them they got where they are today by 'talent/hardwork.' .
Maybe this 'Over 50's training' will have a small business advisor on site. We had a talk on my 'Work Program' from a Entrepreneur specialist , shouldn't of wasted my time. And done some research on the Web instead...

Yes Pintel I can also relate to what you say as 75% of my old working life i was an employee. The day's of working hard, being dedicated are long gone for older generations. Business actually functions now in such a way uk companies highly unlikely to hire older staff.

Gone also is, you have so much experience your invaluable to us. For those that our younger generations there is hope, like there has always been when you're starting off. Unfortunately roach shop and company are trying to sell the idea of a sour pig to the masses. Ready for a spit roast.Aka, universal credit. Until they remove all the bullshit conditions that surround UC, many,  particularly single older people, will remain where they are. And I don't blame them one bit.

There is a reason why so many older people are working in DIY stores and Garden centres etc , and it's not for the great pay and conditions. A lot will be the lucky ones. Mortgage free, not divorced and can easily survive on a low wage. It probably even makes financial sense for them to do some crappy zero hour work. But for most, if stuck or forced into those positions there ain't no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And we know what they say about having a pot to.....

My roach (sounds like a nice chap btw) suggested that I join a Shaw Trust programme, not necessarily for the over '50s, but he said it would be good because they have experience with the over 50s, so I said: let's give it a go. An arrogant git called me, he sounded in his early 20s and speaking silly corporate speak. He sent me a 75 page document by email while we were on the phone and demanded that I agree on the document without even giving a look at it. I said to him: You sound like an arrogant pillock. He hung up on me and never heard of him. Roach didn't seem to care much.

Couldn't help but laugh when i saw the ref to Shaw Trust. I too, have had a little run in with them Miguel and their 'specialist' staff

Some kid whos just done 12=18month crash course on the ins and outs of "how to get someone older back into work" as you know Miguel wont have a bloody clue. Life experience pathetically low. They could have 10 A levels and a degree but will have no idea how things work out in the big wider world. Anyone trying to be condescending and i've met many working for roach shop etc and i now take a much firmer line with them. Listened to their bullshit for far too long but not anymore if i can help it. It's the threat of sanctions they hang over every ones head as a control tool; which is why many wont tell them what they really think and roach shop obviously aware of it.

Nice one Miguel "I said to him: You sound like an arrogant pillock. "

Here's a newspaper article about over 50's, at the bottom of the page:
"A government spokesperson said: "As we build back better, we're helping hundreds of thousands of older workers to retrain, build new skills and get back into work through our Plan for jobs and over 50 plus choices offer.". 🤨

I can hardly wait for 'Retraining & Build new skills'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/quality-support-for-uk-over-50s-who-lost-jobs-in-pandemic-raises-concerns-resolution-foundation

Yes Pintel. More delusional bluster from the big top.

I'd ask them train who and for what. Any meaningful training leading to a semi skilled to skilled job takes years. If they had a brain cell between them before coming up with these "ideas" they would make this optional for anyone over aged 60. Most will be looking to retire and those who want to carry on working until their in their box...go knock yourselves out, cos no company will be looking to hire you. They want people younger, faster and committed and most importantly of all. People who still have a long sell by date. Mine went at 60,  and I was super fit until 54.Still as long as the clowns keep wearing the viz jackets and roll up the shirt sleeves for the cameras. It will be rinse and repeat no matter who gets in. Imo.

Anyone 50 plus who can totally retrain I salute them and wish them the very best. Going back to college at my age I'd have a nervous breakdown. As would the younger ones seeing my face come through the door. Or should I say, around the door

"the growth trend in over 50’s employment that had continued for over a decade has stopped. "

From out in the real world I do not buy that crap for one minute. Growth industries past 10 year's, amazon, Costa, and whether spoons.

If the so-called "Conservatives" were really in favour of so-called "free market" they so often talk about, they would take the opportunity to get the older umeployed into becoming self employed and give them funding and tax breaks they're so fond of giving to their non-dom stinking rich sponsors, but they don't do that because that would create competition and they don't like competition from the small fish.