Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
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Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by JaybeeInRB Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:07 am
So the Roach (I'm loving these derogations!) put me back on one of these after I was ill for most of the previous/first one.
I genuinely make a few applications a day but just want to throw in plenty of fluff that can't be (easily) unpicked and have worked with Roaches in the past
I look forward to your lists of filler
I genuinely make a few applications a day but just want to throw in plenty of fluff that can't be (easily) unpicked and have worked with Roaches in the past
I look forward to your lists of filler
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by The Catwoman Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:30 pm
Do you have to explain what you've done in your journal?
I just put 3 applied jobs in my journal.
I just put 3 applied jobs in my journal.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Pintel Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:38 pm
Good question #Catwoman
. Sound like they are trying to regenerate the UJM 
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As I understand the UC journal (on legacy benefits, so don't yet have the yoke on my neck). Was a way to communicate between the Claimant & Roach
, sort of a Direct Message, for people whom didn't want to use their email? And not to give there job seeking activities. I suppose you could explain to the Roach , you dont want to disclose personal information over the internet, for all to see. And put 'For further details see what I've done in person..." Being 'reasonable' yet not bending over for them .
What next on your CC, will type 500 words
aday in Journal. To give you something to do....🧐
. Sound like they are trying to regenerate the UJM .As I understand the UC journal (on legacy benefits, so don't yet have the yoke on my neck). Was a way to communicate between the Claimant & Roach
, sort of a Direct Message, for people whom didn't want to use their email? And not to give there job seeking activities. I suppose you could explain to the Roach , you dont want to disclose personal information over the internet, for all to see. And put 'For further details see what I've done in person..." Being 'reasonable' yet not bending over for them .What next on your CC, will type 500 words
aday in Journal. To give you something to do....🧐
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by JaybeeInRB Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:57 pm
The Catwoman wrote:Do you have to explain what you've done in your journal?
I don't know...but what's that got to do with finding filler activity to list?
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by The Catwoman Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:18 pm
JaybeeInRB wrote:The Catwoman wrote:Do you have to explain what you've done in your journal?
I don't know...but what's that got to do with finding filler activity to list?
Where are you logging this activity, why would a WC want to know what you did for every minute of the 35hours
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Guest Fri Jun 14, 2024 11:03 am
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_prove_35_hours_of_job_search
Hope the above helps others.
On showing evidence, i compile a spreadsheet and insert times against any actions i can muster, repeat accordingly Mon-Fri. Show on my phone, if they are that interested in 35 hrs tell them to go and print it out using their ink. They would all do better to focus on the replies back from employers although in many cases, would be waiting a long time. This mentality about them using the MUST DO a 35 hrs job search used as a whipping tool; to ultimately send sheep to provider Hq for MORE ''training''. I thought burgers could only be flipped 1 way, and tins stacked on a shelf same.
Hope the above helps others.
On showing evidence, i compile a spreadsheet and insert times against any actions i can muster, repeat accordingly Mon-Fri. Show on my phone, if they are that interested in 35 hrs tell them to go and print it out using their ink. They would all do better to focus on the replies back from employers although in many cases, would be waiting a long time. This mentality about them using the MUST DO a 35 hrs job search used as a whipping tool; to ultimately send sheep to provider Hq for MORE ''training''. I thought burgers could only be flipped 1 way, and tins stacked on a shelf same.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by JaybeeInRB Fri Jun 14, 2024 11:50 am
So this David James guy in the link is asking the same question I am, and neither the DWP nor anyone else is providing answers. I'll put it another way...
What combination of activities and/or amount thereof can one list while describing a 35 hour worksearch for it to be deemed valid by the DWP?
I'll start the list, hopefully this will ignite some memories...
1) Applied for Job X
2) Checked on Website Y
3) Spoke to ex-colleague Z
...
4) ???
5) ???
6) ???
7) ???
What combination of activities and/or amount thereof can one list while describing a 35 hour worksearch for it to be deemed valid by the DWP?
I'll start the list, hopefully this will ignite some memories...
1) Applied for Job X
2) Checked on Website Y
3) Spoke to ex-colleague Z
...
4) ???
5) ???
6) ???
7) ???
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Intincroi Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:51 pm
I believe the padding out can be done with travel times. For example: 1 hour for the bus from home to town, spent 2.5 hours handing out CV to various employers in town, 1 hour for the bus from town to home.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Pintel Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:57 pm
Good idea #Intincroi, of commute times
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Maybe I should purchase a Stopwatch, to get an idea of all the job seeking.... So not to do any overtime....🥴 I could also, time the Roach, when I am on the Lofa-Sofa
️ to see how 'efficient' they are....
.Maybe I should purchase a Stopwatch, to get an idea of all the job seeking.... So not to do any overtime....🥴 I could also, time the Roach, when I am on the Lofa-Sofa
️ to see how 'efficient' they are....
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by mandy tori Wed Jul 03, 2024 5:03 am
don't they recommend not sitting continuously at computer screens?
taking 15 minutes away from screen per hour should provide enough padding just by itself.
chasing up on previously applied for jobs wastes plenty of my time already and im not yet aboard the 35 hour train that is UC
taking 15 minutes away from screen per hour should provide enough padding just by itself.
chasing up on previously applied for jobs wastes plenty of my time already and im not yet aboard the 35 hour train that is UC
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Guest Wed Jul 03, 2024 9:35 am
Intincroi wrote:I believe the padding out can be done with travel times. For example: 1 hour for the bus from home to town, spent 2.5 hours handing out CV to various employers in town, 1 hour for the bus from town to home.
Not in my case. I covered all hours by filling in which website visited, time spent on x website, and was accepted. Hence the copy and paste version saves the claimant endless hours and keeps the idealists happy.And obviously as you say, add any travel times and that can include to and from a joke shop and time spent in there discussing nothing.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Intincroi Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:37 pm
Do you have a template for say a week's worth of job search history? This might help many of us (myself included) in the near future.jobberpw wrote:
Not in my case. I covered all hours by filling in which website visited, time spent on x website, and was accepted. Hence the copy and paste version saves the claimant endless hours and keeps the idealists happy.And obviously as you say, add any travel times and that can include to and from a joke shop and time spent in there discussing nothing.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Ignatius Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:10 am
There are FOI on this subject to be found on What Do They Know, if my memory serves me correctly.
Voluntary work counts, as do courses. The 35 hour thing is a game so learn how to play it to your advantage. Obviously researching companies to send your CV to on a speculative basis is terribly time consuming. Application forms are never a 10 minute job, are they? And nor is writing a covering letter and a CV tailored to each vacancy you apply for. Contacting friends and family to see if they know of any suitable vacancies is a good for an hour or so. Extend jobsearch to social media, not just job sites. Don't just look at your local newspaper for job adverts, but for any news articles about employers who might be recruiting in the future. Look in the local papers for neighbouring areas that fall within the 90 minute travel time. If a job advert says please phone whoever to informally discuss the vacancy, remember to make a note of how long you allegedly spent phoning. Preparing for and attending interviews counts.
With a bit of creative thinking, 35 hours is attainable for lots people. Of course, like so much of the benefits system it trips up people who fail to see it's a great big sanction trap or think the WC is there to help them. The longer you've been out of work, the fewer skills you have or just living in an area with limited employment will make it harder to honestly do 35 hours of jobsearch.
Voluntary work counts, as do courses. The 35 hour thing is a game so learn how to play it to your advantage. Obviously researching companies to send your CV to on a speculative basis is terribly time consuming. Application forms are never a 10 minute job, are they? And nor is writing a covering letter and a CV tailored to each vacancy you apply for. Contacting friends and family to see if they know of any suitable vacancies is a good for an hour or so. Extend jobsearch to social media, not just job sites. Don't just look at your local newspaper for job adverts, but for any news articles about employers who might be recruiting in the future. Look in the local papers for neighbouring areas that fall within the 90 minute travel time. If a job advert says please phone whoever to informally discuss the vacancy, remember to make a note of how long you allegedly spent phoning. Preparing for and attending interviews counts.
With a bit of creative thinking, 35 hours is attainable for lots people. Of course, like so much of the benefits system it trips up people who fail to see it's a great big sanction trap or think the WC is there to help them. The longer you've been out of work, the fewer skills you have or just living in an area with limited employment will make it harder to honestly do 35 hours of jobsearch.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Guest Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:41 am
Sent Intincroi a PM.
Add visiting job fairs, looking in shop windows etc.Updating Cv, sending applications, checking emails, looking on websites, visiting joke shop.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by JaybeeInRB Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:41 pm
They've gone and stuck in a requirement for another batch of evidence in after they didn't even look at the last one - doesn't this count as unfair harassment of a jobseeker?
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Ignatius Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:23 pm
What do they mean by evidence? Screenshots of job adverts and/or applications?
What exactly have you done to piss them off so they are requesting evidence??
What exactly have you done to piss them off so they are requesting evidence??
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Intincroi Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:07 pm
I don't know about anybody else, I've yet to take a screenshot when I apply for a job. I'd imagine a screenshot from an email would suffice, but let's see what Jaybee says they want first.Ignatius wrote:What do they mean by evidence? Screenshots of job adverts and/or applications?
What exactly have you done to piss them off so they are requesting evidence??
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by JaybeeInRB Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:05 am
Ignatius wrote:What do they mean by evidence? Screenshots of job adverts and/or applications?
They didn't specify, just wrote "evidence".
What exactly have you done to piss them off so they are requesting evidence??
I haven't earned any sanctions, so possibly either me not giving them the name of my Restart Advisor nor discussing the sessions with the WC (nor explaining why I won't, which is principle), or the fact I haven't had a job interview or call (that I've told them about) all year despite regular applications, and they're maybe wondering why I don't seem bothered.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Ignatius Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:27 am
It may be nothing more than the WC's manager has instructed them to request more evidence from all claimants. Do you know any other claimants at your jobcentre who you could ask to see if this is the case?
The WC does have to click on something to confirm they have seen evidence of jobsearch to authorise payment. My WC usually expresses it as "I've put your evidence through so you should be paid as normal".
I suspect the rules provide a WC can ask for more proof of jobsearch than a simple list of applications, but for time reasons they don't regularly use that superpower.
The WC does have to click on something to confirm they have seen evidence of jobsearch to authorise payment. My WC usually expresses it as "I've put your evidence through so you should be paid as normal".
I suspect the rules provide a WC can ask for more proof of jobsearch than a simple list of applications, but for time reasons they don't regularly use that superpower.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by JaybeeInRB Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:02 pm
Ignatius wrote:It may be nothing more than the WC's manager has instructed them to request more evidence from all claimants. Do you know any other claimants at your jobcentre who you could ask to see if this is the case?
The WC does have to click on something to confirm they have seen evidence of jobsearch to authorise payment. My WC usually expresses it as "I've put your evidence through so you should be paid as normal".
I suspect the rules provide a WC can ask for more proof of jobsearch than a simple list of applications, but for time reasons they don't regularly use that superpower.
I MAY know another claimant but she had a P/T job last I remember so not sure how helpful she'll be. I've offered to show them the previous evidence from the previous request, as I said it's not my fault they never looked at it, is there no way to stop them just fortnightly repeating their demands for enhanced evidence (as it seems they're doing here)?
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Ignatius Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:34 pm
Next time you are in the jobcentre, get earwigging and chatting to others about what jobsearch they have to provide.
Sadly, i don't think it is "enhanced evidence". Rather it's the normal evidence of jobsearch that everyone would be wise to keep just in case. It is unreasonable for them to request evidence without providing examples of what will count.
Sadly, i don't think it is "enhanced evidence". Rather it's the normal evidence of jobsearch that everyone would be wise to keep just in case. It is unreasonable for them to request evidence without providing examples of what will count.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by mandy tori Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:24 am
ask about what specific evidence they are asking for as you can't find it in legislation
(that puts the onus on them to reference it)
(that puts the onus on them to reference it)
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Xennial Tue Sep 24, 2024 2:30 pm
Just stretch the truth and make out everything takes longer than it did. I think if you volunteer or go on different training courses this counts towards the 35 hours. Back to the make out everything takes longer. Writing a cover letter 4 - 6 hours including the 30 re-writes. Not everyone is efficient and can write cover letters without having to re-write multiple times. I know for a fact it takes me hours because I have issues with poor concentraction.
You could also Volunteer for 17.5 hours per week and this will bring down your work search by 50% to 17.5 hours per week.
You could also Volunteer for 17.5 hours per week and this will bring down your work search by 50% to 17.5 hours per week.
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Re: Padding wanted for "35 hour work search"
by Xennial Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:58 am
I know every jobcentre has a jobs worth or two working in them, but I believe the vast majority of work coaches know the score and as long as we are doing what's reasonably expected of us, I doubt there will be any problems. I actually think it's not 35 hours job search, it's all work activity, as I already said in an earlier post, creating cover letters, tailoring your CV, and maybe some volunteering, add to that training/upskilling, researching companies before applying for jobs, ringing up employment agencies (just pretend you are registered with them and say they have no suitable roles for you), maybe going for a walk around the local area 
to see what businesses are out there. Basically any activity that you can BS is helping you get closer to work.
to see what businesses are out there. Basically any activity that you can BS is helping you get closer to work.
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