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How afraid of human cloning should we be?

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Post by echidna Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:55 pm


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Post by Brutus Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:21 am


Genetic engineering is here to stay. It is my belief that it will be a much bigger game changer in our century as electronic had been in the second half of the last.
I think we should embrace the flow rather than attempt opposing it.
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Post by El-dudeareno Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:54 pm

As with most things Brutus, there is good and bad. Cloned body parts for yourself could be useful as when you get older bones/organs wear out, so having a spare could be helpful. But you could also get the horror story of the ‘Boys from Brazil’? confused

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_from_Brazil_(novel)
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Post by El-dudeareno Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:59 am

Heres another article about these macaque monkeys. I was just wonder if anyone has some of T-T's  farao  dna so we could clone him again, as there still is a lot of luv out there for him   . God bless you sir, where ever you are... Wink


https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jan/24/zhong-zhong-and-hua-hua-first-primates-born-using-dolly-the-sheep-cloning-method?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Lab+notes+2016&utm_term=261946&subid=19341285&CMP=ema-3242
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Post by Brutus Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:36 am


Cloning is already within the realm of possibilities, however I guess it is not the most important development that Genetic Engineering could bring forth.
Much more pertinent to my way of thinking is the possibility of growing interfaces with our material body.
Especially direct neural interfaces.
I wander if this is the inevitable destiny any civilisation, or at least the ones that survive self destruction, that is, will pass trough.
A sort of evolutionary next step, a migration to a different kind of existence, to a different meaning of life.
A type of life where our species will leave the garden of Eden and its moralities.

Still...and probably lucky for me I will be returned to that garden earth, by a long time, before any of it.
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Post by El-dudeareno Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:43 pm

I was wondering how long before some bright spark (Entrepreneur), gets people to give a sample of their dna to store so they can live again? Like the Cryonics market?  Basketball

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics
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Post by Brutus Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:11 am


 Not much point, they would be quite a different person  even if the genetic information "cooking" the new human being was identical.
 
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Post by El-dudeareno Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:41 pm

On a side point, who long does it take to grow and human clone, to be a full adult. Is it quicker than say the standard 18x years to adult maturity?  elephant
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Post by Caker Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:25 pm

Brutus wrote:
 Not much point, they would be quite a different person  even if the genetic information "cooking" the new human being was identical.
 


A clone would be like an identical twin who was born at a different time to the DNA donor. Don't even get me started on the nature v nurture debate as the person could be quite different because of their environment, life experience, relationships, influences, etc.


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Post by Caker Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:32 pm

El-dudeareno wrote:On a side point, who long does it take to grow and human clone, to be a full adult. Is it quicker than say the standard 18x years to adult maturity?  elephant


I would imagine the cloned DNA would be inserted into a donor egg from which the original DNA has been emptied out. That would avoid the clone having DNA of 3 'parents'. After that, I would expect a normal gestation to progress, followed by birth.

See Dolly the sheep

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_(sheep)
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Post by Brutus Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:28 am


 One of the drawbacks of cloning is that doesn't lend itself to easy control.
It is rather like a cooking recipe,  if the ingredients and  the cooking apparatus used are identical, results are consistent, however even small changes can result in big differences.

When DNA is taken from an already made source  one uses it s a black box, without knowing what unavoidable development variables can cause.

A much more logic approach is to create DNA anew and perhaps supplement nature deficiencies with technology.  
 


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Post by El-dudeareno Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:50 pm

Doesn't this led to a 'Eugenics' debate, of what is good and bad elements of selective breeding/cloning should be included or withdrawn with these designer citizens? Idea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
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Post by Brutus Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:49 pm


"Doesn't this led to a 'Eugenics' debate, of what is good and bad elements of selective breeding/cloning should be included or withdrawn with these designer citizens?"


Yes, but it is not different, in principle from what we see already now.
For instance in determining the viability of foetuses or the amount of resources that might be use in attempting to treat an illness (a billionaire may invest on health issues more than a public body may ever be able to afford).

The point is that it is not the possibility of doing something that should be a concern but what is actually been done about these new possibilities.

I believe that the epoch of genetic engineering is upon us, a powerful agent of change as the electronic revolution of the past two generations, if no more.

In the early phases of the latter many calls were made to slow or reverse the process, ultimately futile attempts to reverse the march of progress.
The same will happen for the former.


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