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UNIVERSAL CREDIT ‘CLAIMANT COMMITMENT’: NO CHOICE, NO LAW, NO MONEY – NO APPEAL

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Post by Welfare-Champion Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:14 am

https://skwawkbox.org/2013/08/29/universal-credit-claimant-commitment-no-choice-no-law-no-money-no-appeal/

There is a right to appeal once the UC claim is closed.

A list of all the discussions on RB regarding the JSA/UC Claimant Commitment:

https://respectfulbenefits.forumotion.com/search?search_keywords=claimant+commitment

There is no one size fits all, although I'm aware that DWP staff have a habit of copying and pasting actions/steps within JSA/UC CC for a variety of reasons.

Additional helpful links:

https://publiclawproject.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/CC-mental-health-conditions-2-pages.pdf

https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/14997/

https://universalcreditinfo.net/myths/i-have-to-accept-my-claimant-commitment

Apologies for any duplications.


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Post by Committed Claimant Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:50 pm

The description of CC in the Public Law Project link says:

Claimant Commitment

Your Claimant Commitment is a record of your responsibilities when you are claiming benefit. It should help you to understand what the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) expect of you to receive Universal Credit. If you have a sanction imposed on you, your Claimant Commitment should also help you to understand what it is that the DWP think has gone wrong. It is important that everyone who claims Universal Credit can agree a Claimant Commitment that properly reflects their personal circumstances.  

Once your Universal Credit claim has been received by the DWP, they will contact you to arrange an interview. This is when your Claimant Commitment is drawn up with your Work Coach. Your Claimant Commitment should be tailored to your “capability and personal circumstances, taking account of any vulnerability, complex needs or health issues”1 and see further below.  

Your claimant commitment interview

At your interview, make sure your Work Coach knows about your health condition, what you can and can’t do, and any needs you have.  

If you need extra time to explain your circumstances, ask for a longer appointment when you are booking in. You can ask for a private room to be arranged if you do not want other people to hear what you are saying. Show your Work Coach a copy of your fit note, and any other evidence you have. Write down what you want to say in advance, and take your notes in with you. Give yourself enough time to get to the interview so you don’t feel rushed. Take a friend or a relative with you if you need support. If your mental health condition means you cannot get out, you can ask the DWP for a home visit.  

The DWP has a duty to make reasonable adjustments if you need these because you have a disability2. Tell the DWP if you need help, and the reasons why you need it. If they refuse and you are not satisfied with the reason you are given, ask to speak to a supervisor or the customer services manager. If they still won’t help, seek advice from a welfare rights adviser or a public law solicitor.
 


The description of CC in the Universal Credit Info link says

“I have to accept my claimant commitment”

The short answer:
That’s usually the case … although you can try to make changes before you accept

Acceptance of a claimant commitment is a basic condition of entitlement to universal credit, so you normally have to accept in order to start a claim or continue receiving payments.

However, a claimant commitment should reflect your individual circumstances, and work coaches have a wide discretion when agreeing a commitment with you, and are advised that they should not use a ‘one size fits all’ approach.

Therefore, if you are not happy with any aspect of your commitment, or if your circumstances change so you can no longer meet your commitment, always try and talk it over with your work coach and explain any difficulties you have or if you feel that your commitment is not reasonable.

Tip: Make sure you explain if your health or disability makes it difficult to comply with your commitment. This is because the DWP has a duty under the Equality Act 2010 to make ‘reasonable adjustments’ to help people with a disability or health condition meet the conditions for claiming or receiving benefits.

If your work coach does not agree to change your commitment after you’ve raised your concerns with them you have a number of options -
• you can request a review of the details and reasonableness of work availability and work search requirements of your commitment. This is carried out by a different staff member and can be requested each time a commitment is updated with new requirements;
• the requirement to accept a claimant commitment can be temporarily removed in ‘exceptional circumstances’ where it is unreasonable to expect you to accept one (DWP guidance gives examples of medical or domestic emergencies);
• you can refuse to accept the commitment, in which case you will be given a 7-day cooling off period to reconsider your decision before your claim is closed. If your claim is closed for not accepting the contents of your claimant commitment you can request a mandatory reconsideration and then appeal.

NB - a claimant does not have to accept a claimant commitment if they lack capacity to do so (and an appointee is not required to accept a claimant commitment on their behalf).


In some respects they seem to contradict each other. They can’t both be right.

Which one is the legal definition and which the DWP definition?

Negotiating and agreeing a CC is probably the most important part of signing on. Getting this right is crucial. Getting it wrong could have dire consequences.
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Post by Admin Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:54 pm

thankyou for bringing this back up

always worth some details in this post when your faced with mounting pressures

makes it even worse when all you keep hearing is no right of appeal by the dwp
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Post by Welfare-Champion Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:55 am

14Claimant commitment

(1)A claimant commitment is a record of a claimant’s responsibilities in relation to an award of universal credit.

(2)A claimant commitment is to be prepared by the Secretary of State and may be reviewed and updated as the Secretary of State thinks fit.

(3)A claimant commitment is to be in such form as the Secretary of State thinks fit.

(4)A claimant commitment is to include—

(a)a record of the requirements that the claimant must comply with under this Part (or such of them as the Secretary of State considers it appropriate to include),

(b)any prescribed information, and

(c)any other information the Secretary of State considers it appropriate to include.

(5)For the purposes of this Part a claimant accepts a claimant commitment if, and only if, the claimant accepts the most up-to-date version of it in such manner as may be prescribed.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/5/section/14/enacted

The DWP officer must prepare a CC taking into account all of the claimant's circumstance and relevant regulations/legislation.

The actions must also give the claimant the best prospect of securing employment as well as being realistic and achievable.

The claimant has a right to consider the UCCC on offer and to take advice, the time limit of 7 days (cooling of period) can be extended in particular circumstances.

The claimant can also request a revision/revocation at any time.

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Post by Committed Claimant Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:53 am

So, does the Secretary of State think it fit that claimants should have the opportunity to discuss and agree their Claimant Commitment?
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Post by Guest Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:18 pm

No mention of a discussion in DWP policy.

The interview is a diagnosis of the claimants circumstances!!!!

The Claimant Commitment will be developed through a face to face interview with an adviser.  The interview will cover 4 core elements leading to a set of requirements to be recorded in a Claimant Commitment. These are:  
Diagnosis    of    claimant    capability and circumstance
Identifying the work a claimant is expected to look and be available for
Establishing which work search, preparation and availability requirements should apply
Establishing ongoing contact requirements

These will enable the adviser to develop and record a set of requirements that, if complied with, will give claimants the best prospects of finding work. Diagnosis of claimant capability and circumstance to support claimants get into as much work as they can as quickly as possible, advisers will determine a claimant’s capability and personal circumstances (including exploring work history, qualifications, health and caring responsibilities) . This will ensure the claimant is placed in the correct conditionality group and that all relevant circumstances are taken into account.  

Identifying the work a claimant is expected to look and be available forThe adviser will identify a job requirement that sets out the work a claimant is expected to look for and accept if offered. The adviser will establish the type, location, hours and pattern of work a claimant will be expected to look and be available for.  Claimants will normally be expected to look for any suitable employment, paying the relevant national minimum wage,  that is within 1.5 hours travelling distance from their home.  Claimants will also be expected to look for full time work.

Setting requirements to give claimants the best prospects of finding work

By the end of the process Mad , the intention is that the claimant is committed to complying with their requirements and motivated to find work. In setting requirements, the adviser will – working with the claimant – set out a detailed action plan, articulating the steps a claimant must take to give themselves the best prospects of finding a job.  

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/163018/response/398294/attach/3/CC%20Narrative%20short.pdf

I am certain claimants who know the system will contribute to their CC and challenge inapproriate actions.

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Post by Committed Claimant Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:01 pm

So, does the Secretary of State think it fit that claimants should not have the opportunity to discuss and agree their Claimant Commitment?

Please clarify in your answer what a 'face to face interview' entails if not a discussion on the appropriate activities to be included in the CC.
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Post by Guest Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:10 pm

The interviews I have observed have been very one sided conversations. The questions are asked, but I have never heard a WC seek the claimant's own ideas.

More often than not, the conversation gets heated when the claimant challenges an action. I usually have to intervene at this point.

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Post by Committed Claimant Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:22 pm

You are obviously reluctant to give a definitive answer to my question and choose instead to respond with vague semantics as justification.

When, as you admit, a coach asks the claimant a question, whose answer is s/he seeking if not the claimant’s own, which of necessity has to include the claimant’s own ideas, views, opinions, suggestions?

If an activity is included that is legally questionable would you advise that the claimant remain silent, would you remain silent and what is the point of your presence if you do?


Definition of ‘conversation’, your chosen phrase;  talk; spoken exchange of ideas, feelings, thoughts, and opinions.

Definition of ‘discussion’;    the examination or consideration of a matter in speech or writing
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Post by Guest Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:04 am

Sorry, yes, the claimant should be allowed to contribute in the claimant commitment interview/review.

Some Jobcentre staff will conduct a very good diagnostic interview and will encourage the claimant to provide relevant information as well as inviting input to their CC, ensuring that it is tailored and personalised.

Extracts from The effectiveness of the claimant commitment in Universal Credit - A study by the Social Security Advisory Committee - Occasional Paper No. 219 September 2019

However, this is not a consistent picture - we heard from several stakeholders and consultees that not all work coaches are using discretion fairly or reasonably and opt for generic, rather than tailored, actions. We saw examples of work coaches copying and pasting actions from a shared document, which had become standard in their local Jobcentre and many of the claimant commitments we sampled had generic requirements. We also heard of work coaches recommending inappropriate courses and work search actions given the local labour market and some coaches using rules of thumb (for example reducing the hours requirement to 16 hours automatically if a claimant had previously claimed a disability benefit) to define actions instead of truly tailoring. This is perhaps understandable, given the pressures referred to above that work coaches face, but is not giving claimants bespoke plans.

Principle 4: Accepted- A claimant commitment should be accepted by both parties. There should also be a clear challenge process available to claimants who do not agree on the content of their commitment. We heard from several stakeholders, including some work coaches, that many claimants feel obliged to accept their commitments just to get UC payments. So even if a claimant disagreed with the requirements set out in their commitment, they may feel unable to challenge it because it would mean adding further potential delay, above the five week wait for the first UC payment that all claimants face as a minimum.

Claimants are entitled to a second opinion if they disagree with their commitment, but we heard that not all claimants are aware of their right to do so. In one Jobcentre there had been no second opinions sought in the two years that the team leader had worked there. While this doesn’t prove there is a problem, it is reasonable to expect at least some challenges given the scope for human error in a personalised, discretion-based system

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/833426/ssac-occasional-paper-21-effectiveness-of-claimant-commitment-in-universal-credit.pdf

Well informed/bolshie claimants will challenge unreasonable requirements effectively with or without advice/information via FOI request.  The people I have supported felt powerless and needed help.

DWP’s guidance is often wrong and/or misleading, for example:

J3040 The Secretary of State can require that a claimant take particular action for the purpose of making it more likely that the claimant will obtain 1. paid work or 2. more paid work or 3. better-paid work
1. This is known as the work preparation requirement.

Note: It is the Secretary of State’s opinion that matters as to whether the particular action will enable the claimant to obtain 1., 2. or 3. 1 WR Act 12, s 16(1)

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/5/section/16

DWP sanctions system discriminated against disabled people for a decade

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2019/july/dwp-sanctions-system-discriminated-against-disabled-people-decade

Claimants with physical and mental health problems were less likely than other claimants to feel that their commitment reflected their circumstances.31One consultee highlighted an online survey of disabled people on UC which found only a quarter felt their work coach had taken account of their impairment or condition in planning activities. When they raised this with their work coach, a third felt they 30 We didn’t collect enough evidence to make a fair assessment of whether requirements were tailored to the needs of the labour market, so the focus in this section is whether requirements were tailored to the needs of each claimant.31 DWP (2018), Universal Credit full-service survey.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/714842/universal-credit-full -service-claimant-survey.pdf

Claimant said they were not listened to, while less than a third felt they were. Failing to take impairments into account would be in breach of the Equality Act 2010.

Aside from the tailoring of the level of conditionality, we also found a lack of tailoring of activities. Many of the claimant commitments we saw both in Jobcentres and the sample provided by the Department had a range of generic requirements, for instance around signing up to and using a jobsite.
DWP’s full-service survey found only a half of claimants had their conditionality reviewed in the previous three months.34 Many stakeholders described review meetings as a tick box exercise, where commitments were not reviewed and many of the commitments in our sample had limited evidence of being updated. For example, several had “sign up to jobsite” still on the commitment several months after the claim had started
We also heard that some claimants experiencing mental health problems find interacting with work coaches very stressful. One claimant said they just accept the commitment to enable them to “get away as quickly as possible. I say yes, yes, yes, to make it be over quicker.” We also heard of claimants feeling obliged to accept their commitment because the power imbalance between the work coach and claimant leaves the claimant too scared to challenge their commitment. And some claimants with learning disabilities may struggle to truly understand and so meaningfully accept their commitment.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/833426/ssac-occasional-paper-21-effectiveness-of-claimant-commitment-in-universal-credit.pdf

IMO, the report highlights that many Jobcentre staff lack effective communication skills amongst other things.  This failure inevitably leads to sanctions for many people.

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