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Post by D.Appleby Mon May 03, 2021 8:56 am

‘Everyone should have access to a strong social security system that protects them from harm,’ said Helen Barnard, director of the Joseph Rowntree Foundation

The Government has come under renewed pressure to raise the value of all benefits in line with the increase ministers introduced for universal credit claimants at the start of the pandemic.

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/universal-credit-increase-high-court-challenge-dwp-extend-20-uplift-benefits-979829

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Post by Pintel Mon May 03, 2021 3:27 pm

With regards to the £20 uplift for Universal Credit claimants. You could see the DWP 🚽, changing the rules and saying the UC claimants have been receiving an 'over payment'. And therefore ask for it back🤨, instead of the pay out....😏
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Post by Caker Tue May 04, 2021 11:43 am

....don't give them any ideas. Evil or Very Mad
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Post by marvin Thu May 06, 2021 7:19 pm

The DWP said: “It has always been the case that claimants on legacy benefits can make a claim for Universal Credit if they believe that they will be better off.”

I always thought unless a person on legacy benefits reports a change of circumstances to the dwp they cant just turn up at their local jcp and ask to be switched over to u/c or have I got it wrong all these years?

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Post by mt111 Fri May 07, 2021 11:19 am

I voluntarily switched to UC from JSA (after claiming carers allowance). Simply filled out the claim form online. Got 2 weeks 'free' money as JSA paid for 2 weeks after start date of UC claim so didn't have to wait 5 weeks for any money.

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Post by Absolut Tue May 11, 2021 6:31 am

The £20 per week extra that those on UC get has created a two tier benefits system. The DWP's flippant "they can switch to UC if they want the extra money" comment is typical lying by omission. It was given to those on UC to specifically help with the impact of Covid - ie for those who lost their jobs, except it was given to anyone on UC who was on it before the pandemic, undermining their own argument about it being about job losses. I predict the DWP will lose their case in the High Court and then refuse to pay legacy claimants the money they should have received as well as those on UC.
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Post by marvin Fri May 14, 2021 12:25 pm

According to the jcp woman I spoke to the only way an ESA claimant can switch from ESA to u/c without a change in circumstances is to close the ESA claim and start from scratch with u/c which involves supplying fit notes filling in a uc50 etc which the dwp do not mention in their response of course

A much simplier process if you are a jsa claimant

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Post by D.Appleby Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:26 am

DWP benefits claimants set for huge back pay bonus after legal challenge

People claiming 'legacy' benefits weren't given the same boost

The hearing is taking place at the end of this month.

Fingers crossed X

https://www.lancs.live/news/uk-world-news/dwp-benefits-claimants-set-huge-21435753

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Post by Pintel Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:34 pm

"In response, a DWP spokesperson said: "It has always been the case that claimants on legacy benefits can make a claim for Universal Credit if they believe that they will be better off." ".🤨

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/dwp-legal-case-over-20-25042566

Strange my Work Roach clown, has never mentioned this to me either in person or written down. 'That I would be better off on the Univ Credit scheme".❓Has anyone one else had an opportunity like this 🤨... You would think the DWP 🚽 could of came up with a better excuse by now🗑😵.
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Post by Pintel Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:50 pm


"Department of Wonderful People" - Therese Coffey(Mp).
https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/dwps-second-hq-should-be-peoples-palace-not-kremlin-says-minister

Maybe the DWP 🚽 should be called: 'Don't Want to Pay up', instead 💸 🤗...

I wonder are the DWP clown are worried claimant's will spent the backdated payment on 🚬 & 🍺, I'll be spending mine on Food & Heating 👍. And not on £840 a roll wallpaper for my home...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-wallpaper-flat-refurb-b1850209.html


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Post by D.Appleby Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:04 am

Latest news..

New date set for legacy benefits court caseThe hearing to decide whether legacy benefits claimants should receive the same £20 uplift that universal credit claimants were awarded will now take place on 17 and 18 November.
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/4432-new-date-set-for-legacy-benefits-court-case

Best of luck to everyone waiting to hear the outcome.

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Post by Pintel Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:58 pm

Thanks for the update #D.A. 👍...
You have to wonder what lame excuse the DWP🚽 will give 🤔 not to pay up. Also will they pay any interest on this £20 💰uplift?
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Post by Pintel Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:03 pm

Be interesting to see if the DWP 🚽, use the Father Ted "Financial Irregularities" excuse of "The money 💰 was just resting in their account"... 😅😅😅

Maybe Ms T.Coffey could make a similar quote to Mr R Nixon: "There will be no whitewash in Whitehall"... 🤔 I won't hold my breath thou...😒

https://www.quoteswave.com/text-quotes/52485

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s9wCMSSjTKk
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Post by D.Appleby Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:43 pm

There is currently no indication on when the judge will deliver his decision on the legal challenge.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/universal-credit-uplift-legacy-benefits-25644351

Hopefully, the outcome will be a positive one!

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Post by D.Appleby Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:20 am

Update for benefit claimants waiting on court decision over possible £1,500 backdated payments from the DWP

Hundreds of thousands of people across Scotland and the rest of the UK are waiting on a judge to rule on whether the UK Government's decision not to extend the £20 uplift to those on legacy benefits to support them during the coronavirus pandemic was fair.

Doughty Street Chambers issued an update recently due to the number of people making enquiries about the outcome.

It said: “Judgment is awaited in the case.

“It is not unusual that in a case of this type and importance for many hundreds of thousands of people that judgment takes some time.”

The advisory continued: “Chambers acknowledges that many people are anxiously waiting for the outcome and are understandably contacting Jamie [Burton QC] and Chambers for an update.

“Please be assured that as soon as judgment is handed down it will be communicated. In the meantime, please bear with us.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/legacy-benefits-court-case-update-25869995

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Post by Pintel Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:57 pm

Thanks for the update D.A 👍.

When the 'judgement is handed down', and if it doesn't go well for the DWP🚽. Can they appeal and further drag out this case do you know? 🤨
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Post by D.Appleby Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:38 am

Pintel wrote:Thanks for the update D.A 👍.

When the 'judgement is handed down', and if it doesn't go well for the DWP🚽. Can they appeal and further drag out this case do you know? 🤨

Yes, the case can be escalated to the Supreme Court if necessary.

Watch this space!

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Post by jobberpw Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:34 pm

Ultimately these DWP robots dont get it that, people on benefits are effectively 30 years behind in real terms incomes. They cant seem to grasp that and carry on regardless with their bullshit mantra of 'all work is good for you' even if your not actually making any money. God forbid if any of us should actually return to the days of being able to take a holiday once a year, pay into a pension fund, buy decent clothes. As we see, that's now only for the 10% club. I take that back, as the latter cant even dress themselves Evil or Very Mad .
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Post by jobberpw Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:36 pm

"The DWP said: “It has always been the case that claimants on legacy benefits can make a claim for Universal Credit if they believe that they will be better off.”

Yet another classic form the deluded. Better off yes, as opposed to -living beneath a bridge & 'working' … for nothing.
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Post by Absolut Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:08 am

"The DWP said: “It has always been the case that claimants on legacy benefits can make a claim for Universal Credit if they believe that they will be better off.”

I don't recall getting a letter while I was under house arrest about how I could switch to UC and get an extra £20 a week. If you don't know you will be better off on UC (for a limited time only) then you can't have a belief or non-belief in it. Legacy benefit claimants would have been better off financially on UC, but we (those of us on legacy) aren't stupid. We knew they would withdraw that extra money. We knew we would be left with no ability to go back to legacy if we took the carrot. Where the DWP is concerned their stick isn't usually far behind the carrot.  

The question is this - why didn't every single legacy benefit claimant switch to UC during the pandemic in order to get that extra £20 per week if it's so bloody marvelous? Did we all not believe that we would be better off? That's the funny thing about belief - there's an opposite. Where the DWP is concerned I'm a full blown atheist.
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Post by Pintel Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:20 pm

Absolut wrote:"The DWP said: “It has always been the case that claimants on legacy benefits can make a claim for Universal Credit if they believe that they will be better off.”

I don't recall getting a letter while I was under house arrest about how I could switch to UC and get an extra £20 a week. If you don't know you will be better off on UC (for a limited time only) then you can't have a belief or non-belief in it. Legacy benefit claimants would have been better off financially on UC, but we (those of us on legacy) aren't stupid. We knew they would withdraw that extra money. We knew we would be left with no ability to go back to legacy if we took the carrot. Where the DWP is concerned their stick isn't usually far behind the carrot.  

Maybe the DWP 🚽 is trying out an ESP🔮 transmission of information, to save on costs 🙄. Another point the amount of 'Better of in work' calculations Ive had at the JCP🤡.  Yet not one for the Univ Credit scheme?

Also has anyone know if you can get a copy of the transcript of the case. As i would like to hear the DWP's🚽 legal teams argument. Hopefully it is better (allegedly) than the 'better off🥕 on the UC, so could of asked for a transfer'🐮🙄...

Moreover, are the DWP being acussed of ' Fraud', as it seems to fit the legal description?🤔


https://lawi.org.uk/fraud/

'Definition of Fraud
In accordance with the work A Dictionary of Law, this is a description of Fraud :

"A false representation by means of a statement or conduct made knowingly or recklessly in order to gain a material advantage. If the fraud results in injury to the deceived party, he may claim damages for the tort of *deceit. A contract obtained by fraud is voidable on the grounds of fraudulent *misrepresentation
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'In order to gain a material advantage'
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Post by Pintel Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:44 pm

What did we expect 🙈🙉🙊
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenClaimant/status/1494631863540977670

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"Whilst the Court accepted there was discrimination towards disabled people on legacy benefits, the Judge ruled that the difference in treatment was justified."

So its 'Ok' to discriminate but as long as you thinks its ' allegedly' justified 😵😳😱




https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/welfare-rights/caselaw/item/high-court-dismisses-judicial-review-challenge-to-decision-not-to-extend-covid-19-related-universal-credit-uplift-to-legacy-benefits
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Post by D.Appleby Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:58 am

What next?
The Claimants legal team is currently giving consideration to whether there are merits to appeal to the Court of Appeal.

The Claimants were represented by William Ford of Osbornes Law, Jamie Burton QC of Doughty Street Chambers and Desmond Rutledge of Garden Court Chambers.

https://osborneslaw.com/news/high-court-decides-on-uplift-to-legacy-benefits/

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Post by Absolut Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:10 pm

Pintel wrote:"Whilst the Court accepted there was discrimination towards disabled people on legacy benefits, the Judge ruled that the difference in treatment was justified."

So its 'Ok' to discriminate but as long as you thinks its ' allegedly' justified 😵😳😱

"objective justification" and "legitimate aim". Robotic phrases uttered by robotic people.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/what-are-the-different-types-of-discrimination/justifying-discrimination/

Sometimes it doesn’t count as unlawful discrimination if someone treats you unfairly because of who you are. The Equality Act 2010 says if someone has a good enough reason for treating you unfairly, they may be able to justify discriminating against you.

A legitimate aim is the reason behind the discrimination. This reason must not be discriminatory in itself and it must be a genuine or real reason.

Here are examples of legitimate aims:

   the health, safety and welfare of individuals
   running an efficient service
   requirements of a business
   desire to make profit.

Who decides what a legitimate aim is under "requirements of a business"? Not you, that's for sure. The DWP calls itself a business. Ergo the DWP can do what it likes as everything they do falls under "requirements of a business".
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