Re: Restart program

by Absolut Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:59 am

Well that's ruined my weekend as I know for a fact my work roach will be sending me on this restart rubbish, suddenly I'm back to face to face appointments aswell..

I know what you mean. It was the day of our wedding anniversary when they sprung this on us, ruined the whole day. Sad

However, looking through the Restart provider documents it's abundantly clear that Restart is not geared towards JSA claimants whatsoever. I will post about JSA Restart on another thread as as not to interfere with london123's posts.

by london123 Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:47 pm

had another pointless job centre face-to-face appointment today that's 4 in 3 weeks. my roach said that they are not doing phone appointments anymore. its a new thing. she asked how i was i told her not good, coming here. she said ill see you next week and don't forget your Maximus appointment tomorrow. i got my bus fairs paid,
what was the point of the appointment?

by Pintel Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:04 pm

Been thinking about what #London123 said about being forced to to to JCP

. I knew a fella told by the Doctors to 'take it easy, and get complete rest'. Yet the JCP Roach clown

made him come into the office, going against the doctors advice to rest and recover

. Not exactly helping are they!

I wonder what is next at the JCP

, are they going to create a position of 'Work Preacher

'. You could imagine performing 'Miracles' on the sick

, after seeing them you can cast off your illness/disabilities...🤪

. And live care free for the rest of your life...
Also these 'Work Preacher's

' could be defined as a 'high skilled quality job'

, what's not to like????

by Absolut Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:08 am

london123 wrote:had another pointless job centre face-to-face appointment today that's 4 in 3 weeks. my roach said that they are not doing phone appointments anymore. its a new thing. she asked how i was i told her not good, coming here. she said ill see you next week and don't forget your Maximus appointment tomorrow. i got my bus fairs paid,
what was the point of the appointment?

Good reason. Good reason. Good reason. Good reason. Get those 2 words into your head. You do not have to do anything at all if you have good reason not to and especially if your circumstances have not been taken into consideration by a clearly psychotic work coach. I don't care what has or hasn't been switched off on their machines. They must justify frequent attendance. I don't care if they paid your bus fare, they still need to have a good reason to call you in, just as you need a good reason to be able to tell them where to shove it. The roach has said that your requirement to look for work has been switched off. Therefore there is no need for a frequent face to face meeting. Is it so frequent in order to see if you are really ill? Is the roach a doctor now?

As for Maximus. They can't mandate you to attend Maximus's first face to face appointment. No mandation appointment letter setting out the consequences for failing to attend = no sanction. Even if you are mandated you might have good reason not to go. They have to keep trying if you fail to turn up to the first face to face Maximus appointment. The roach comes over as desperate to get you to attend that first face to face. I wonder why. I suspect that it's voluntary and if you turn up it's then switched to mandatory. I could be wrong. I'm still investigating.

So, a sanction can't happen until Maximus has tried for the first 30 days to get you in for a face to face and even then you might have good reason not to go. The next time some idiot working for Citizen's Advice says "go or you will be sanctioned" ask them if they've actually read any Restart provider documents.

Where a sanction is concerned you have the right to ask for a reconsideration. Sometimes you can get a fast enough decision for your money not to be affected by the sanction, depending on when your last monthly payment was. The fit note is highly likely to overturn the sanction. You do not need to wait for a WCA decision to claim good reason.

Good reason. Good reason. Good reason. Good reason. Restart program - Page 6 3228069604

A Decision Maker, when a sanction is enacted, must take into account good reason. They don't have to accept your good reason, but a court just might and always use the words "I will ask for a judicial review" in any communication with a DM where it's obvious the joke centre has dropped the ball and been unreasonable. Threaten to take the DWP to court in a disability discrimination claim and see what they do then. They think they are immune from being sued, but they are not. Legal Aid is still available for disability discrimination cases and the DWP is rife with abuse, leaving them wide open for a smart claimant to take them to the cleaners. It might be me, if they continue with what they are doing in regard to telling a disabled person that they are mandated to attend a course that the roach doesn't even know the location of!

When you claim benefits there are responsibilities that you have to fulfill or lose payment via a sanction, but there are also rights. They like to pretend that you don't have any rights, but you do. They also like to ignore good reason. Don't let them.

It seems to me that your joke centre (and mine) is getting paid in some way for making a referral to Restart. I know they've had very low numbers of referrals and I find that odd for something that is supposedly a mandatory scheme. I suspect they need your consent and then it switches to mandatory. I will dig more into this before I let my joke centre send me anywhere.

Don't forget they can't mandate you to attend the first appointment. I think you do have good reason not to attend, but I will need to continue checking the documents and any link to a claimant being too unwell to attend the course. In the meantime, I'd ignore the first Maximus appointment. It's quite clear in the documents that they can't mandate until trying a few more times. Use that to your advantage.

We can offer additional support for your appointment such as having a separate room or ground floor appointments if and where needed.

No, they will offer additional support under the EA 2010 or explain why they can't do it. The sneaky way in which the above is worded is the roach using the EA 2010 against you rather than for you and I despise people like that.

See how that works? Stop letting these morons act with an authority they do not have.

by D.Appleby Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:48 am

London123,

Have you received a mandatory notice to attend the Restart Scheme?

Were you provided with a prior notice of scheme?

Selection to participate in an employment programme

K5091 There may also be a connected requirement1 which provides that the Secretary of State may require a claimant to participate in an interview for any purpose relating to the imposition of a work-
related requirement on the claimant. This provision is used to mandate the claimant to participate in an interview prior to mandating to certain employment programmes, for example a pre-selection interview
to discuss participation in the WHP.
1 WR Act 12, s 23

K5092 At this interview the work coach will determine whether the claimant will be referred to the specific programme using a selection process to assess the individual’s eligibility for referral onto the relevant provision following the criteria detailed in the policy for the scheme and operational instructions. A claimant who fails for no good reason to attend and participate in this interview will be liable to a low-level benefit sanction1.

Note: A sanction can only be imposed if the work-related or connected requirement has been validly imposed in accordance with public law principles of fairness (see guidance in ADM Chapter K1).
1 WR Act 12, s 27(2)(b)
K5093 – K5095

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1049013/admk5.pdf

Provider guidance

2.25. You must not mandate your Potential Participant to attend the Initial Face to Face meeting at this point but engage with them to encourage their participation. Mandation can be considered after repeated attempts, see paragraph 2.66.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/restart-provider-guidance/chapter-2-referral-process-and-initial-engagement#jobcentre-referral-to-restart

by Absolut Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:05 am

2.152 To ensure that Restart is accessible to all Participants, all premises must be easily accessible to Participants, including those using public transport. Premises must meet all legal requirements and provide facilities commensurate with the requirements of this Restart Specification, and be compliant with the Equality Act 2010. Providers will be required to ensure that if Participants have to travel to meetings at the Provider’s premises, they can do so by public transport and such travel will take no longer than 90 minutes in each direction, by a route and means appropriate to their circumstances. Where a Participant’s health condition limits their ability to travel, or for any other reason where DWP have agreed a cap below 90 minutes, the Provider is expected to make appropriate arrangements to meet the Participant, for example at outreach locations.

I will definitely use the above against them.

by D.Appleby Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:06 am

UPDATE 26 April 2022

Updated due to changes to the eligibility of the Restart Scheme. Restart Scheme eligibility criteria is expanded so that claimants who are in receipt of Income Based Jobseekers Allowance (JSA IB) can be referred. Claimants in receipt of New Style Jobseekers Allowance (NS JSA) are not eligible for the Restart Scheme.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/restart-scheme#full-publication-update-history

There is no legislation in place to mandate JSA/IB claimants to the Restart Scheme.

by Absolut Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:40 am

D.Appleby wrote:There is no legislation in place to mandate JSA/IB claimants to the Restart Scheme.

Nope. I told them. They would not listen. They fully intend to refer us to Restart on a mandatory basis on 10 May with no authority to do so. I don't know if they are simply stupid, or if they are being malevolent.

by Absolut Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:57 am

This is sneaky of them:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/restart-provider-guidance/chapter-1-introduction-and-overview

1.33. All UC claimants currently on a health journey can be considered for a referral to the Restart Scheme. This includes claimants who:

have a fit note
are awaiting a Work Capability Assessment (WCA), or
are awaiting the outcome of a WCA

That wasn't there until this morning. Sad

Please Note: If any claimant is within the first 14 days of their fit note, the (Potential) Participant will have been informed by their Jobcentre Plus work coach that any work search activities are voluntary until the 14 days expires. This requirement does not prevent a referral to the Restart Scheme.

I'm disgusted at the way they mandate disabled and ill claimants to these schemes without bothering to find out if it breaches a claimant's rights under the EA 2010.

by Guest Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:16 pm

So, if planks apply a sanction as per this Freedom of information request of 11th November 2013 FOI 5109.

"As part of the above, the claimant is notified in writing that they have failed to attend or take
part in a mandatory work focused interview or failed to undertake work related activity and that
as a consequence, the case is being referred to a Decision Maker and a benefit sanction may
be imposed. This letter explains the reason for the referral and gives the claimant a chance to
explain why they did not do as required, which may or may not be accepted as good cause by
the adviser or Decision Maker. The letter also provides details of the claimant’s right to ask for
a Mandatory Reconsideration and, if unsuccessful, their right of appeal."

London if needed, ensure you show before and after you had good cause as not to attend any appointment and i would use this regulation here for any thicko's in Roach-ville who are choosing to clearly overlook this:

Read through all this link as should be of interest. Youve already clearly told then whats wrong with you as per your 3 month sick note.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2013/9780111531938/regulation/99
(4) This paragraph applies where the claimant —

(a)is unfit for work—
(i)for a period of no more than 14 consecutive days after the date that the evidence referred to in sub-paragraph (b) is provided, and
(ii)for no more than 2 such periods in any period of 12 months; and
(b)provides to the Secretary of State the following evidence—
(i)for the first 7 days when they are unfit for work, a declaration made by the claimant in such manner and form as the Secretary of State approves that the claimant is unfit for work, and
(ii)for any further days when they are unfit for work, if requested by the Secretary of State, a statement given by a doctor in accordance with the rules set out in Part 1 of Schedule 1 to the Medical Evidence Regulations which provides that the person is not fit for work.

IF, you are not prepared to take the risk of enduring a sanction of which i fully understand, then subsequently also be prepared, for their future games with you. Example: ["London attended roach-ville on x date, and as such, see no problem with their current status of health, and look forward to seeing London join on-going circus appointments. Twisted Evil

]

They've always been slap happy with applying sanctions, and the threat of them Twisted Evil

, but they can also be effectively crushed by them Twisted Evil

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Its only my opinion London, you have more than good cause to avoid a sanction but, only you, can make the decision as to whether to fight these clowns, or just go along with everything they say no matter how ill you may feel.

This is the mentality, many of us have had to put up with until it comes to a crunch and start giving the middle finger sign mentality.

They hold the stick over peoples heads with sanctions as nothing more than being bloody minded to make them comply knowing its likely they will due to the threat of financial pain they will receive should the sanction be upheld Evil or Very Mad

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by Guest Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:35 pm

london123 wrote:had another pointless job centre face-to-face appointment today that's 4 in 3 weeks. my roach said that they are not doing phone appointments anymore. its a new thing. she asked how i was i told her not good, coming here. she said ill see you next week and don't forget your Maximus appointment tomorrow. i got my bus fairs paid,
what was the point of the appointment?

They have a duty under reasonable adjustments to allow phone appointments for people who have difficulties...tell them.

There are no ifs or buts about that. They are effectively taking the P out of you. You have a right! to ask for these adjustments London. So argue why it will be reasonable for you in your circumstance's that phone apps would be highly beneficial to you. Even more so, in that you can also talk about nothing on the phone as you could in person. Twisted Evil

Ask roach shop again in writing, if they refuse, seek further advice from a lawyer or CAB if needed. Roach ville are on sticky ground not least, with appearing blind to to your clear health complications. They could be putting you in a position of risk. Some pen pushing moron with a few weeks training, will conveniently not be up to speed on the do's and don'ts etc of their obligations to all claimants where those obligations are relevant imo.

For them to refuse it, is also discrimination under the Equality Act 2010. Tell them through your journal or email or send a letter signed for recorded to roach central. Twisted Evil

Tell that moron roach this London:

What are reasonable adjustments?

The Equality Act prevents people from being discriminated against in society and outlines the duty to make reasonable adjustments for disabled people. Ensure your health meets the definition of the act...look it up if your unsure.

The duty to make reasonable adjustments aims to make sure that a disabled person has access to and is able to use services in the same way (or as close as possible) as a non-disabled person.

by london123 Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:59 pm

i went to the face to face appointment,this morning 9am i can't afford to get sanctioned.there was a lift so no stairs to climb. the person i saw,started going on about how he will find some interviews for me,for full-time jobs . i said im looking for part-time only, its in my work agreement, and im not looking for any work until after my operation, he said when on universal. credit you have to look for work even when on sick . i told him my work coach said i don't have to look for work until after the outcome of my health assessment.if i fail. i would be getting ready for work interview skills ect. (idiot) then he shut up. and asked me what my barriers for work are, i said my age nearly 65 and health issues, he said everyone he interviews in their 60s says the same thing. i felt like strangling him. anyway it is on hold until after my assessment.on the 12th may. then i have another appointment, i was there an hour with him talking so much crap you wouldnt believe.

(my roach said all people on universal credit will have to have face-to-face appointments only no more phone appointments.)

by Guest Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:11 pm

london123 wrote:i went to the face to face appointment,this morning 9am i can't afford to get sanctioned.there was a lift so no stairs to climb. the person i saw,started going on about how he will find some interviews for me,for full-time jobs . i said im looking for part-time only, its in my work agreement, and im not looking for any work until after my operation, he said when on universal. credit you have to look for work even when on sick . i told him my work coach said i don't have to look for work until after the outcome of my health assessment.if i fail. i would be getting ready for work interview skills ect. (idiot) then he shut up. and asked me what my barriers for work are, i said my age nearly 65 and health issues, he said everyone he interviews in their 60s says the same thing. i felt like strangling him. anyway it is on hold until after my assessment.on the 12th may. then i have another appointment, i was there an hour with him talking so much crap you wouldnt believe.

""i said my age nearly 65 and health issues, he said everyone he interviews in their 60s says the same thing. "

I'd have said, well get use to it Plank. They will be hearing much more of it, that's why its a bloody waste of tax payer's money and claimants time and lives pushing them into something that's not actually there for them.

Its not looking good for you at all London. Can only hope you get a good result on the WCA and not long until retirement too. Hope they don't drag the appointment date out for you. As i have advised many times. If your not prepared to take the advice and give it to them you will be effectively stuffed. As said your only hope is WCA going in your favour.

All the crap for an hour they gave you I've endured many times before, so would believe it very much so. And sympathise.

by Absolut Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:08 pm

london123 wrote:i went to the face to face appointment,this morning 9am i can't afford to get sanctioned.there was a lift so no stairs to climb. the person i saw,started going on about how he will find some interviews for me,for full-time jobs . i said im looking for part-time only, its in my work agreement, and im not looking for any work until after my operation, he said when on universal. credit you have to look for work even when on sick . i told him my work coach said i don't have to look for work until after the outcome of my health assessment.if i fail. i would be getting ready for work interview skills ect. (idiot) then he shut up. and asked me what my barriers for work are, i said my age nearly 65 and health issues, he said everyone he interviews in their 60s says the same thing. i felt like strangling him. anyway it is on hold until after my assessment.on the 12th may. then i have another appointment, i was there an hour with him talking so much crap you wouldnt believe.

(my roach said all people on universal credit will have to have face-to-face appointments only no more phone appointments.)

He will get a bit of a surprise when he meets a younger disabled person then. Since when is disability a barrier rather than it being employers who put barriers in the way of the disabled person working for them? He's an example of just how stupid these people are. They are worse than useless when it comes to dealing with sick and disabled people. They are actively dangerous.

Good luck with the WCA. Fingers crossed you will get LCW permanently.

by Guest Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:49 pm

Even if you don't get classed as LCW or better still LCWRA London, you will do a mandatory reconsideration Twisted Evil

, so all is far from lost but as is, maybe a longer road for you to tread so to speak.

TIP: Don't do anything, that contradicts anything you have put forward as evidence or, plan to use. Evil or Very Mad

Example, if you say you have a problem using stairs, you will therefore ask for ground floor only appointment's Twisted Evil

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Also, a lift, is highly likely to be a Covid incubator so tell them, if ever that's suggested to counter act using the stairs argument. Get that out of their thick heads if they suggest that wonderful idea Very Happy

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by Absolut Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:28 am

jobberpw wrote:Also, a lift, is highly likely to be a Covid incubator so tell them, if ever that's suggested to counter act using the stairs argument. Get that out of their thick heads if they suggest that wonderful idea .

There is a better reason. Anyone who has a problem with stairs must ensure that there is an evacuation procedure in place to help them get down a set of stairs in the event of a fire. A lift is irrelevant. In the event of fire a lift is shut down. Effectively there is no lift. There must be 2 designated people who are tasked with getting a disabled person down those stairs via a fire chair in the event of a fire.

The DWP don't provide this service, neither does Maximus, a few providers do but it needs to be checked in advance. You are asking for trouble london123 if you do not. You can't rely on the lift being in working order either when you get there or at the time you are due to leave.

Joke centre staff see me on the ground floor. They don't like it. It means they either have to come down from upstairs, which irritates them, or get someone on the ground floor to see me. The workers on the ground floor see me. They don't like it. They want rid of me, i.e off JSA and onto UC as those bods are seen in another building that is already on the ground floor. (From the outside it looks like the Ministry of Love. There are no windows.)

I will not go down more than half a dozen steps and even then it causes pain. Anyone in the joke centre who has ever suggested that I go up to the second floor gets a right mouthful lol. Anyone who says "there's a lift" gets a lesson in fire evacuation procedures. Why? I've fallen down stairs or steps 3 times since 2008. First time I broke my left toe, got bone growth in joint, had to have an op, then another op, leaving me with a permanent mobility disability. Second fall I dislocated my left shoulder and my lower left lumbar region tends to seize up on standing still or sitting still for too long. Third fall, re-broke the operated on left toe. Gait changes have knackered my left knee and going down stairs is now highly painful. NHS refuse to provide local x-ray in breach of the EA 2010 using "covid" as the excuse.

by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:28 pm

There is a better reason. Anyone who has a problem with stairs must ensure that there is an evacuation procedure in place to help them get down a set of stairs in the event of a fire. A lift is irrelevant. In the event of fire a lift is shut down. Effectively there is no lift. There must be 2 designated people who are tasked with getting a disabled person down those stairs via a fire chair in the event of a fire.

The DWP don't provide this service, neither does Maximus, a few providers do but it needs to be checked in advance. You are asking for trouble london123 if you do not. You can't rely on the lift being in working order either when you get there or at the time you are due to leave.

Joke centre staff see me on the ground floor. They don't like it. It means they either have to come down from upstairs, which irritates them, or get someone on the ground floor to see me. The workers on the ground floor see me. They don't like it. They want rid of me, i.e off JSA and onto UC as those bods are seen in another building that is already on the ground floor. (From the outside it looks like the Ministry of Love. There are no windows.)

I will not go down more than half a dozen steps and even then it causes pain. Anyone in the joke centre who has ever suggested that I go up to the second floor gets a right mouthful lol. Anyone who says "there's a lift" gets a lesson in fire evacuation procedures. Why? I've fallen down stairs or steps 3 times since 2008. First time I broke my left toe, got bone growth in joint, had to have an op, then another op, leaving me with a permanent mobility disability. Second fall I dislocated my left shoulder and my lower left lumbar region tends to seize up on standing still or sitting still for too long. Third fall, re-broke the operated on left toe. Gait changes have knackered my left knee and going down stairs is now highly painful. NHS refuse to provide local x-ray in breach of the EA 2010 using "covid" as the excuse.[/quote]

Don't think they understand the first thing about health and safety . As was confirmed by their head Hench woman recently. "we have no duty of care to people while visiting roach ville Evil or Very Mad

" And yet, these morons feel they are skilled in addressing peoples health issues when effectively by that statement alone, haven't a bloody clue.

I'm wondering who to sue if ever an unfortunate event took place.

They, like many others seem above the law. Strange for an MP to make such a statement on behalf of their dep't and yet, I've never seen any notice up on any wall within a joke shop evading themselves of all responsibilities where claimants are concerned when on their "premises" if they should fall and break their neck for instance on a stairwell. Well done for making them see you on the ground floor Absolut. Its the same in my roach shop, they hate the massive effort of them having to walk all the way down the stairs to chat to me about nothing.

Absolut, i hope your injuries didn't happen within Roach Ville as that sounds like hell ?

by Absolut Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:50 pm

jobberpw wrote:Don't think they understand the first thing about health and safety . As was confirmed by their head Hench woman recently. "we have no duty of care to people while visiting roach ville " And yet, these morons feel they are skilled in addressing peoples health issues when effectively by that statement alone, haven't a bloody clue.

I'm wondering who to sue if ever an unfortunate event took place.

DWP employees have a duty under the EA 2010 to anticipate having to make reasonable adjustments for claimants they know are disabled in order for them to access the service. Roaches avoid putting disabilities on CCs and on the claimant's main record so they can then claim that they didn't know about the disability and therefore there was no duty. When your roach breaks the law they are the person you challenge. You point out the breach and ask them to remedy it. If they refuse you report it to their manager. If they refuse to remedy the breach, then you can take the DWP itself to court. You have to give them the chance to mend their ways. I did it on Tuesday. I said "go ahead and break the law if that's what you want to do". The roach did an about-turn pretty sharpish.

As for a trip or fall occurring on any premises, if it can be proved that the renter/owner of the building was negligent, you sue the renter/owner. The renter/owner of joke centre premises is the DWP. They do have to comply with health and safety laws and I've not seen any breached at our local joke centre.

Sanctions and benefits being removed erroneously is a whole other ball game.

They, like many others seem above the law. Strange for an MP to make such a statement on behalf of their dep't and yet, I've never seen any notice up on any wall within a joke shop evading themselves of all responsibilities where claimants are concerned when on their "premises" if they should fall and break their neck for instance on a stairwell. Well done for making them see you on the ground floor Absolut. Its the same in my roach shop, they hate the massive effort of them having to walk all the way down the stairs to chat to me about nothing.

They seem to be, but they are not. It's always one to one. They are people, not a monolith. A person is not protected to the extent by the State that they think they are. Roaches are sacked all the time.

Absolut, i hope your injuries didn't happen within Roach Ville as that sounds like hell ?

No, can't blame Roach Ville for it Wink

First fall - leaving restaurant, stupid shoes, totally my own fault. Hobbled round Paris for 5 days after lol. The other 2 falls were at home. Both falls were slips.

by london123 Sun May 01, 2022 6:17 pm

he also said the covid 19 regulations have now changed and if you get covid you still have to come in when asked, he said if he gets covid he will come in so he expects us to. i told him I've had covid a few months ago which i have, and was in bed 5 days i phoned 111 and thought I was on the way out. so no way will i be coming in if i catch it again.

by Absolut Tue May 03, 2022 6:40 am

london123 wrote:he also said the covid 19 regulations have now changed and if you get covid you still have to come in when asked, he said if he gets covid he will come in so he expects us to. i told him I've had covid a few months ago which i have, and was in bed 5 days i phoned 111 and thought I was on the way out. so no way will i be coming in if i catch it again.

Thank you for this. I know this doesn't apply to UC claimants, but this is declaring that the DWP is fully able to obtain labour market declaration signatures from JSA claimants. If they can get UC claimants to attend Restart with covid then they can stop using "because covid" when I ask why we aren't signing labour market declarations anymore.

London123 - Have you received an official written notification mandating you onto the scheme? If so, what is the date on it? Was it given to you after you agreed to the face to face, or before?

by The Catwoman Tue May 03, 2022 4:06 pm

These useless WC are being super vague on what is or isn't mandatory, a couple of weeks ago I was told to go to a job fair during my phone appointment, I asked her is this mandatory, she said yes. So when I get there it had nothing to do with the dwp she found the jobfair by googling it.

by Guest Tue May 03, 2022 4:37 pm

The Catwoman wrote:These useless WC are being super vague on what is or isn't mandatory, a couple of weeks ago I was told to go to a job fair during my phone appointment, I asked her is this mandatory, she said yes. So when I get there it had nothing to do with the dwp she found the jobfair by googling it.

Hi Catwoman,

was thinking about this, in that every time a claimant requires [specific help] they play this game of being as [vague] as they possibly can. I wonder why. Its certainly nothing to do with their bullshit of tailored specific help. I think we would all be searching a long time to find anyone in the UK who's actually found such a service. They love their buzz words but just cant deliver upon them.

Also, when London123 recently experienced health issues was given a serious run around. They failed to use the logic of applying their favourite of "being reasonable." Not least, 'reasonable adjustments' god forbid, if they ever use their own taring that states it should all be 'anticipatory' Twisted Evil

; where they know its suppose to be used and more specifically when. These people couldn't be reasonable if we gave then a dictionary Evil or Very Mad

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Not sure if you are aware Catwoman but there are certain procedures letters etc in place when mandating people. They can do it verbally but, it all has to be very clear. As far as i know, job fairs were/are voluntary ? At least, i haven't been mandated to attend one yet although, been to those circuses many a time Rolling Eyes

. Due to there being so many well paid, skilled jobs, with plenty of training etc, i am still looking Evil or Very Mad

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by Guest Tue May 03, 2022 5:16 pm

Absolut "As for a trip or fall occurring on any premises, if it can be proved that the renter/owner of the building was negligent, you sue the renter/owner. The renter/owner of joke centre premises is the DWP. They do have to comply with health and safety laws and I've not seen any breached at our local joke centre."

Secretary of State: DWP has no legal duty to safeguard the wellbeing of vulnerable claimants
https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2020/october/secretary-state-dwp-has-no-legal-duty-safeguard-wellbeing-vulnerable-claimants

Their all heart and soul, aren't they Evil or Very Mad

Provider companies will need liability insurance cover. I asked to see a certificate once, and they could not provide it. No cover, not a chance of litigation turning into £. I wonder if they have up-to-date health and safety certificates too, as the provider I see didn't back then Evil or Very Mad

DWP don't give a stuff about health and safety where claimants are concerned, made very clear by the article in link above. They have no responsibility to claimants while in roach ville. Their very special people you see Evil or Very Mad

. So, if their defibrillator unit wasn't working, if they actually have one, all will be fine while we're in their safe hands. Don't ya just love em Evil or Very Mad

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And yet, they have the bloody nerve to insist, we all engage with the Work 'Health' Programme...you couldn't make this crap up. It truly beggars belief.

They do not want a statutory duty in place for fear of many legal actions which could be brought. We know, their not too successful when defending their errors.

Absolut wrote:
''Anyone who has a problem with stairs must ensure that there is an evacuation procedure in place to help them get down a set of stairs in the event of a fire. A lift is irrelevant. In the event of fire a lift is shut down. Effectively there is no lift. There must be 2 designated people who are tasked with getting a disabled person down those stairs via a fire chair in the event of a fire.''

Yes Absolut, they'd probably chuck us out the nearest window Twisted Evil

. As to meet their quick exit emergency requirements. Specialist health and safety only for claimants though.

Update...Ooops!

EHRC imposes legally binding action plan on the DWP to improve its treatment of disabled benefit claimants

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2022/april/ehrc-imposes-legally-binding-action-plan-dwp-improve-its-treatment-disabled-benefit

by Pintel Tue May 03, 2022 11:25 pm

On a side note

here. Does anyone know if you can request a copy of the Provider's/Company's procedure of in the 'event of an emergency? 🤨 With regards to disabled patron's? As the Restart Scheme is all about 'helping' people with health issues, it shouldn't be a problem with all of the 'experts' on hand

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by london123 Wed May 04, 2022 8:36 am

Absolut wrote:
london123 wrote:he also said the covid 19 regulations have now changed and if you get covid you still have to come in when asked, he said if he gets covid he will come in so he expects us to. i told him I've had covid a few months ago which i have, and was in bed 5 days i phoned 111 and thought I was on the way out. so no way will i be coming in if i catch it again.

Thank you for this. I know this doesn't apply to UC claimants, but this is declaring that the DWP is fully able to obtain labour market declaration signatures from JSA claimants. If they can get UC claimants to attend Restart with covid then they can stop using "because covid" when I ask why we aren't signing labour market declarations anymore.

London123 - Have you received an official written notification mandating you onto the scheme? If so, what is the date on it? Was it given to you after you agreed to the face to face, or before?

I have no official written notification mandating me onto the scheme, which was done through job centre appointments and three-way phone conversations, but i asked if it was a voluntary course my roach told me it was mandatory.

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