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Post by Admin on Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:53 pm

a member here has been banned from the jcp offices

Rowratty wrote:Letter this morning...I've been banned from entering JCP offices. I'm not allowed to phone them or send an e-mail, I must make a written request if I need to visit the JCP office. No explanation in the letter on how I'm supposed to make a declaration. I'll turn up on Thursday and see what happens.

an foi request

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/jobcentre_bans_2

Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

Can you tell me under what legislation gives DWP the authority to ban claimants from Job Centre premises?

What right of appeal do claimants who believe the ban is unfair and without foundation have?

Is the DWP aware that banning claimants without a fair hearing is an offence under the Human Rights Act?

"Article 6 - Right to a fair trial

A fair and public hearing (or trial) You have the right to a fair and public hearing if:

you are charged with a criminal offence and have to go to court or
a public authority is making a decision that has a decisive impact upon your civil rights or obligations."

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/311432/response/762500/attach/html/2/207%20Johnston%20final%20V1%201.doc.html

Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

Please could you tell me how many Benefit Claimants have been banned from Jobcentres between 2005 and December 2015?

http://respectfulbenefits.forumotion.com/t890-jobseekers-directives-jsd

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Re: banned from jcp office

Post by Admin on Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:56 pm

helping_hand wrote:A ban can sometimes be a blessing!

You should receive a second letter in regards to your attendance in a secure area/postal signing in due course.

Banning Orders
172. In the event of a banning order against a customer or claimant, Nominated Managers need to make
alternative arrangements for them to contact the office on benefit related issues and ensure that they are
advised promptly of these arrangements as details will not be included in the banning letter.


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/336823/response/828363/attach/8/Unacceptable%20Customer%20Behaviour%20Guidance%20June%202016%20FOI%20uncontrolled.pdf

thankyou hh ive also just found the same info

https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/8421/

We’ve requested they revisit their decision to ban him

but what does he do in the meantime? The only thing I can think of is that we request he is allowed to sign on by post.

helping_hand wrote:I suggest anyone in a similar position to seek advice from CAB or a welfare rights agency.

DWP's behaviour can become perverse in these situation from my experience. Mad

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Post by Jara on Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:06 pm

@helping_hand do you have any stories to share of people being banned from JCP and getting "special" treatment from DWP?

I been wondering myself if I should been openly recording everything at JCP.. and then make a living on posting all the drama on Youtube Smile

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Post by Admin on Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:45 pm

jara we dont advice users to post there info on youtube

however we do advise people to record the events as a just incase situation

though its sad days nowadays that its come to this by the system
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Post by Jara on Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:50 pm

Fair enough.

If someone been banned for recording audio, and alternative arrangement have been sorted for that person during a period of time. Can this person be banned again during this period of time if they continue recording? Would alternative arrangement for the previous alternative arrangement be sorted?

I know full well it's not recommended, but I just wanted to know what's the worst DWP can do if someone is insisting on recording (and won't ever stop).

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Post by helping_hand on Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:08 pm

Jara wrote:Fair enough.

If someone been banned for recording audio, and alternative arrangement have been sorted for that person during a period of time. Can this person be banned again during this period of time if they continue recording? Would alternative arrangement for the previous alternative arrangement be sorted?

I know full well it's not recommended, but I just wanted to know what's the worst DWP can do if someone is insisting on recording (and won't ever stop).

Jara,

I think the best approach is not to admit you are recording and to use the information gathered covertly as a last resort i.e. a Tribunal Appeal submission or an ICE complaint.

Latest UCB FOI :

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/latest_version_of_unacceptable_c

I will endeavour to develop a UCB template if necessary/required.


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Post by Admin on Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:23 pm

didnt get banned however for informing that i was recording

not one advisor would see us or sign us on so you can guess the outcome of that

manager and advisor always asked if i was recording the answer was yes then manager made it clear if recording no one will see you in this jobcenter

no other offer of another jobcenter was offered however a psych was issued by dwp of an offer of a meeting
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Post by oneman on Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:19 pm

I try to record everything at the Job centre.

Do not tell them that you are recording! It can be used, if transcribed for use in court.
The courts use the law to decide on a case and not just "general information" that the Job center often rely on. Laughing

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Post by helping_hand on Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:50 pm

Jara wrote:@helping_hand do you have any stories to share of people being banned from JCP and getting "special" treatment from DWP?

I been wondering myself if I should been openly recording everything at JCP.. and then make a living on posting all the drama on Youtube Smile

Life can be less stressful for some i.e in and out of the Jobcentre at the speed of light (sign on and out) and no referral to DWP provision etc.

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Re: banned from jcp office

Post by Brutus on Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:00 pm


 It is a well known relationship: the more iniquitous are laws and rule the more licentiously they are applied.
When the rule of law disproportionally aim at oppressing, they create an incentive for those that apply them, to extend the remit of their powers.
It is a common sight in the more totalitarian regimes, where being zealous is a job requirement for civil servants.

In our case, the combination of repressive (and equally inane) rules, fully supported by and evil management and the absolute certainty that no consequences would befall any lower functionary, regardless of how much they pursue the persecution of their charges, create a toxic mixture.
One where people rights are more and more disregarded, one where DWP employees are trained in cruelty.



 
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Re: banned from jcp office

Post by Absolut on Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:02 am

DWP WCs willfully ignore their own rules and the law (such as the Health and Safety Act that underpins their misuse of the UCB policy) in their zeal to prove to themselves that they aren't in the same boat as the rest of us - that their "employer" (the psychopathic State) won't throw them to wolves as well. Sadly they are mistaken.
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