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Bad job vs Unemployment.

Post by El-dudeareno on Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:05 pm

According to the article from The University of Manchester. Yet are we not surprised with ZHC and ‘hire and fire’ laws in this country?  Evil or Very Mad

“Having a bad job can be worse for your health than being unemployed”  

“In summary, researchers found evidence that formerly unemployed adults who moved into poor quality jobs had elevated risks for a range of health problems, compared to adults who remained unemployed.”


http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/having-a-bad-job/

Another article found the same idea:

The idea that unemployment is more detrimental to long-term health than any kind of work is simply false, the Manchester researchers found. The received wisdom that work is intrinsically beneficial and preferable to worklessness simply does not hold up in today’s employment market. The study focused on 1,000 people between the ages of 35 and 75 who were unemployed in 2009-2010, tracking their self-reported health and chronic stress levels – measured through blood tests examining hormones and markers of stress – in the following years. Chronic stress was clearly higher for adults who moved into poor-quality work than for those who remained unemployed.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/britain-work-makes-you-ill-jobs



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Post by El-dudeareno on Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:09 pm

Also on a side point isn’t Mr George Osborne, as Honorary Professor of Economics at the University of Manchester, I doubt if he wrote the piece. It would be like giving IDS clown  a position on health and social-care in the community… pale  affraid

http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/george-osborne-appointed-as-honorary-professor-of-economics/
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Post by Caker on Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:29 pm

 Embarassed (sorry) ....I heard a rumour that Osborne does not even have an 'O' level/GCSE in mathematics. Does anyone know if that is true?
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Post by El-dudeareno on Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:39 pm

According to Wikipedia, Mr O has got a degree in 'Modern History', that must of been useful being the Chancellor of the Exchequer?   drunken


"[George] Osborne was educated at independent schools: Norland Place School, Colet Court and St Paul's School.  In 1990 he was awarded a demyship at Magdalen College, Oxford, where in 1993 he received a 2:1 bachelor's degree in Modern History. Whilst there, he was a member of the Bullingdon Club. He also attended Davidson Collegein North Carolina for a semester, as a Dean Rusk Scholar."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#Early_life_and_education
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Post by Absolut on Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:04 am

These days the stress of a bad job is equal to the stress of having to sign on - both can cause deteriorating health.
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Post by Caker on Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:12 am

.....It makes a lie of all the 'work is beneficial to health' rhetoric. Good work may be beneficial to health but bad work is detrimental. Also, it is usually people in 'nice jobs' who are recommending that 'work' per se is beneficial to 'others'.  
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Re: Bad job vs Unemployment.

Post by Brutus on Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:37 am



Generally speaking, while money and success may give one the possibility to do things that one would have not otherwise managed to pursue, the one thing all the money in the world cannot provide is to give one the time back spent in achieving it.
And this is the best case, most real life situations do not remotely approach (in this case) work for someone else profit=wealth for yourself.

So for me the choice is relatively simple, take the option that give you more time to live the best you can.

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Post by helping_hand on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:15 pm

I think a number of us are indoctrinated by our parents and/or society about the world of work, religion etc., and may discover (too late) that work is not the ultimate road to happiness or, more importantly, that it will bring us personal satisfaction and/or contentment.
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Post by Absolut on Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:35 am

The word "work" first needs to be defined Wink

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work

My minimum definition of work is forced labor, that is, compulsory production.

Work is production enforced by economic or political means, by the carrot or the stick. (The carrot is just the stick by other means.) But not all creation is work. Work is never done for its own sake, it’s done on account of some product or output that the worker (or, more often, somebody else) gets out of it. This is what work necessarily is. To define it is to despise it. But work is usually even worse than its definition decrees. The dynamic of domination intrinsic to work tends over time toward elaboration. In advanced work-riddled societies, including all industrial societies whether capitalist or “Communist,” work invariably acquires other attributes which accentuate its obnoxiousness.

People don’t just work, they have “jobs.” One person does one productive task all the time on an or-else basis. Even if the task has a quantum of intrinsic interest (as increasingly many jobs don’t) the monotony of its obligatory exclusivity drains its ludic potential. A “job” that might engage the energies of some people, for a reasonably limited time, for the fun of it, is just a burden on those who have to do it for forty hours a week with no say in how it should be done, for the profit of owners who contribute nothing to the project, and with no opportunity for sharing tasks or spreading the work among those who actually have to do it. This is the real world of work: a world of bureaucratic blundering, of sexual harassment and discrimination, of bonehead bosses exploiting and scapegoating their subordinates who — by any rational-technical criteria — should be calling the shots. But capitalism in the real world subordinates the rational maximization of productivity and profit to the exigencies of organizational control.

Foucault has complexified this phenomenon but it is simple enough. Discipline consists of the totality of totalitarian controls at the workplace — surveillance, rotework, imposed work tempos, production quotas, punching -in and -out, etc. Discipline is what the factory and the office and the store share with the prison and the school and the mental hospital. It is something historically original and horrible. It was beyond the capacities of such demonic dictators of yore as Nero and Genghis Khan and Ivan the Terrible. For all their bad intentions they just didn’t have the machinery to control their subjects as thoroughly as modern despots do. Discipline is the distinctively diabolical modern mode of control, it is an innovative intrusion which must be interdicted at the earliest opportunity.
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