Poundland and free labour

by Absolut Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:53 am

http://graduatefog.co.uk/2017/5109/poundland-unpaid-work-universal-credit/

Poundland has denied using unpaid workers to stack shelves in its stores, directly contradicting a source who has told Graduate Fog that he and nine others are currently working for free in the chain’s Bolton store, in placements set up by his local job centre.

the DWP feel confident that unpaid work placements are allowed on schemes – as long as it is made clear to the participants that they are voluntary. But in Billy’s case this has NOT been made clear

by Caker Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:25 am

It appears that DWP workers are up to their old tricks of misleading claimants.

Claimants themselves need to make sure they are informed of their rights. Easier said than done Neutral

by El-dudeareno Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:18 pm

I am having a feeling of Déjà vu??? Rolling Eyes

"Cait Reilly, who was sent to work for free at Poundland by her Jobcentre, explains why she took the government to court" (Tuesday 12 February 2013)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/12/poundland-legal-challenge-cait-reilly-interview

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0_vu

by Brutus Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:27 am

it is a long term problem for us. This Country is specialising in extracting the last drag of profit from the unfortunate British working class.
Our elites are rentiers and see the profit in covering the gap between the cost of automation and paying workers less and less.
It is a trend that will continue until the work will be eventually entirely replaced by machines.

They do not have the intelligence to see that eventually even slavery will not be profitable any more, they think in term of quarterly returns and think that the money they have stashed away will be their salvation.

by El-dudeareno Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:07 pm

And yet at the moment this Slavery-business is as strong as ever according to this article! Evil or Very Mad

"Slavery is illegal in every corner of the world, yet an estimated 21 million people are enslaved globally. To put that number in perspective, there are more slaves in contemporary society than at the height of the transatlantic slave trade. How is this possible? And would you even recognise a modern slave if you saw one in the street?"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/video/2017/jul/31/why-are-millions-of-people-still-trapped-in-slavery-video

by helping_hand Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:15 pm

It would be difficult to recognise slaves in the UK, I should imagine many are imprisoned.

Recent Home Office estimates suggest there are between 10,000 and 13,000 victims of modern slavery in the UK.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-39478016

by Brutus Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:01 am

Slavery, like poverty, is a definition that should change with time and place.

One should be aware that both are defined by international bodies and their existence, apart from a little squabbling on the exact meaning of the definitions, is in itself an achievement.
However in the contest of the society in which these terms are applied, there are scope to adapt.

I often encounter objections that today people are "softer" and their so called privations are of not consequence, that poverty is derived by their shortcomings, etc. That there are people in real need but not here.

My objection is: "when one start opposing the backsliding? When we'll all be reduced in chains or too weaken by penury?"

Society is in a constant change and it is up to us to try and determine its direction and aims.
When ones looks at society one should look at those at the bottom and if their condition are improving. In a humanistic prospective mankind condition should be considered before one looks at whatever great other achievements have been accomplished.
If one considers society as a structure made up of human beings, and how they use the infrastructures built by previous generations, one should inevitably come to this prospective.

On the other hand if one considers society to be made of those that more proficiently use its material wealth, than humans will be graded to be part of it by the degree by which they can access the infrastructure and wealth accumulated in it.
In this scenario the logic conclusion will regard at least some of the humans living in it, as less humans and more of a part of the machinery that allow the people in charge to be "civilised".

The struggle between these two visions is present in ourselves and at large in society and requires the constant need to foster in each generation, and some more than others, a current humanistic prospective. A prospective that can only be relative and relevant to the actual conditions experienced.

by Caker Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:45 am

While I am aware that some people are falsely imprisoned by their slave masters (deprived of freedom of movement / healthcare / communication with family etc), this is not to denigrate those tricked into working in £land for a subsistence.

The former are victims of crime and the latter are victims of trickery and coercion. While the former are often victims of physical violence, the latter are victims of psychological violence.

by El-dudeareno Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:28 pm

And yet there are large company's willing to turn a blind eye to this activity, for the sake of profits

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"...after hearing that they had sent migrants to work through agencies that supplied labour to the headquarters of the sportswear company. Some migrants were also sent through an agency to work for a leading vegetable producer, which supplies – directly or indirectly – nearly all the UK’s major supermarkets."

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/aug/08/how-big-brands-including-sports-direct-unwittingly-used-slave-labour

by El-dudeareno Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:15 pm

"Slavery and trafficking 'affecting every town and city' in UK"! Poundland and free labour 3596045085

And yet the problem seems not to be going away, from the individual gangs to the large corporations that use this type of labour for there profits. I wonder if the media will add "welfare to work/workfare" when they talk about this exploitation? Poundland and free labour 2227953398

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40885353

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/10/modern-slavery-uk-nca-human-trafficking-prostitution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workfare_in_the_United_Kingdom

by **Admin** Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:09 pm

and they wonder why theres no jobs in the area when many are taken up by free labour

id rather do a trail 1/2 day to see if its the work i want to do

and if so then stick it out and get paid for it

i like the use of those emoticons el dude there just spot on as well

by El-dudeareno Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:51 am

Admin.

On a side issue, do you know they rules regarding 'Work-trails', such as upon what and how much time etc you can have on these? As in the past they seemed a way of getting cheap labour for a company, for a few days Poundland and free labour 507219341

by Absolut Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:14 am

The Poundland in my town has recently installed those worker-free tills. Customers are actively avoiding them as they prefer to deal with a human being. This should hopefully dissuade Poundland from sacking till staff in order to save money with their new "automated" tills. I won't use them on the prinicple that no company is going to make me an accessory to their effort to reduce the amount of jobs there are in their company.

by El-dudeareno Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:57 pm

"Chingford Poundland Fire Being Treated As Suspicious" Maybe someone has taken matters into their own hands.... Poundland and free labour 3268580443

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chingford-poundland-fire_uk_599e8719e4b0821444c0c1eb?utm_hp_ref=uk-news

by El-dudeareno Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:35 pm

I see that Poundland TM is still up to its old tricks. Poundland and free labour 507219341

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/30/poundland-work-free-government-scheme-dwp

by Caker Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:46 pm

Admin' we keep coming back to this topic. I wonder if it should be made a 'sticky' so it is easy to find each time a new comment is added.

by Caker Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:51 pm

El-dudeareno wrote:I see that Poundland TM is still up to its old tricks.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/30/poundland-work-free-government-scheme-dwp

I presume this the SBWA. Suspect

I wonder if experience (under SBWA) is ever available in any sector other than retail scratch

by helping_hand Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:25 pm

Caker wrote:Admin' we keep coming back to this topic. I wonder if it should be made a 'sticky' so it is easy to find each time a new comment is added.

A sticky within Schemes and Programmes perhaps?

Caker wrote:
El-dudeareno wrote:I see that Poundland TM is still up to its old tricks.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/30/poundland-work-free-government-scheme-dwp

I presume this the SBWA.

Yes, this is correct or 'work experience'.

Work experience
If you’re 16 to 24 and you’re getting Jobseeker’s Allowance, you can get a work experience opportunity through Jobcentre Plus.
They can last between 2 and 8 weeks, and you’ll normally be expected to work between 25 and 30 hours a week.
You may also be able to get help from Jobcentre Plus for costs related to work experience, eg for travel or childcare.
https://www.gov.uk/moving-from-benefits-to-work/work-experience-and-volunteering

Work experience is voluntary at this time.

I wonder if experience (under SBWA) is ever available in any sector other than retail

Customer Service (Call Centre), Hospitality and Care are popular.

by Caker Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:39 pm

Thanks HH

by **Admin** Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:18 am

another reference to it

http://www.welfareweekly.com/poundland-gets-jobless-to-work-for-free-under-government-scheme/

Poundland has been criticised for employing jobseekers, without pay, for up to two months under a deal with the government.

Several of those who have worked on the scheme told the Guardian they had worked up to 30 hours a week for at least three weeks stacking shelves in Poundland. They were told that the work experience was voluntary but one said: “I had no say in it really.”

by **Admin** Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:39 am

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/08/31/poundland-implicated-in-work-experience-scandal-again/

Poundland seems to be turning into a serial abuser of jobseekers.

It is now five years since Cait Reilly (remember her?) took the DWP to court for forcing her to stack shelves at one of the discount retail chain’s stores. It was forced labour, not voluntary, the company paid her nothing (she only received benefit money) and pocketed all the profits.

by Caker Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:57 pm

If people do not know their rights then they will certainly not find out about them from £land Poundland and free labour 1392310362

by **Admin** Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:26 pm

poundland shouldnt have free labour its a company that makes a profit so therefore dosnt do the community any favours or anything else therefore they are getting free labour and taking up actual jobs at the company that should be paid for by a proper wage

by Caker Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:42 pm

Admin wrote:poundland shouldnt have free labour its a company that makes a profit so therefore dosnt do the community any favours or anything else therefore they are getting free labour and taking up actual jobs at the company that should be paid for by a proper wage

I agree entirely. The problem is, people don't know their rights and they are getting tricked and coerced into this exploitative scam. I definitely think that greater awareness would help more vulnerable people to avoid this trap.

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