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Post by oneman on Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:20 pm

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Post by oneman on Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:37 pm

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Post by dboy on Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:54 pm

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I'm marked down on the LMS as Disruptive for asking for my lawful rights to be considered. (electronic signing is voluntary) I'm marked as disruptive. Not wanting GIS every two weeks. (this is voluntary) I'm marked as disruptive. Asking management for my old regular Work Roach back, lasted 1 week then it was back to GIS!!! I see her in aldi shopping more than I do at the JCP, But I'm still marked as Disruptive!!

Disruptive is a good, without disruption there would only be stagnation.

The DWP a rogue department whose general policy is stuff the law and be damned as long as the social re-engineering experiment is successful, these delaying tactics and cutbacks to peoples access to quality legal help ensures that at some point it will be to late to reverse the changes.

Good to know that people are prepared to fight back more than just receiving a refund.

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Post by dboy on Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:06 pm

Non Deficere wrote:lol!

The appeal process was unecessarily protracted!

I was referring to the 2-4 year process of escalating a complaint to ICE/the Ombusdman.

I have an outstanding case that has been with ICE for more than 2 years!  Sad   I get letters periodically advising "we are still looking at the case, but we cannot say when you might receive a response."
I have waited 12 weeks emails and face to face dicussions with work coaches and mangers for simple explanation at to what are the rules for someone on JSA to be considered ASE, so I can keep within them, and they are now ignoring my requests for response.

I could be wrong here, but until they do actually respond then no doubt a court would find that unacceptable,

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Post by oneman on Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:29 pm

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Post by Non Deficere on Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:00 am

dboy wrote:
Non Deficere wrote:lol!

The appeal process was unecessarily protracted!

I was referring to the 2-4 year process of escalating a complaint to ICE/the Ombusdman.

I have an outstanding case that has been with ICE for more than 2 years!  Sad   I get letters periodically advising "we are still looking at the case, but we cannot say when you might receive a response."
I have waited 12 weeks emails and face to face dicussions with work coaches and mangers for simple explanation at to what are the rules for someone on JSA to be considered ASE, so I can keep within them, and they are now ignoring my requests for response.

I could be wrong here, but until they do actually respond then no doubt a court would find that unacceptable,

The following is a (non-exhaustive) list of the types of cases typically heard in the County Courts:

Civil Cases

Civil cases involve conflicts between people or institutions such as businesses, typically over money. A civil case usually begins when one person or business (the "plaintiff") claims to have been harmed by the actions of another person or business (the "defendant") and asks the court for relief by filing a "complaint" and starting a court case. The plaintiff may ask the court to award "damages" (money to compensate the plaintiff for any harm suffered), or may ask for an "injunction" to prevent the defendant from doing something or to require the defendant to do something, or may seek a "declaratory judgment" in which the court determines the parties' rights under a contract or statute.

http://www.civillawselfhelpcenter.org/self-help/getting-started/court-basics/56-types-of-cases

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Post by dboy on Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:48 am

My thoughts

The above link is for US Law not sure how relevant it would be in the UK.

I would say this is probably is good case for harassment and could be dealt with in a civil court.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/taking-action-about-discrimination/taking-action-about-harassment/

When is something harassment under the Act?

Generally speaking harassment is behaviour which causes you distress or alarm.

The Act also says you must have experienced at least two incidents by the same person or group of people for it to be harassment.

It's the courts that decide if something is harassment under the Act. The courts will look at whether most people or a reasonable person would think the behaviour amounts to harassment.

What can the court do if you take civil action about harassment?

The court can make an order or injunction that the person harassing you must stop their behaviour. If they don’t stop harassing you after the court has made an injunction against them, it's a criminal offence and they can be prosecuted in the criminal courts.

You can also ask the court for compensation if you’ve suffered financial or emotional loss - for example, if the harassment has made you feel very anxious or distressed.

As an aside
Under the rules for corporate manslaughter the DWP are not immune if we can deal with that next !

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Post by Non Deficere on Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:35 am

dboy wrote:My thoughts

The above link is for US Law not sure how relevant it would be in the UK.

It is the same:

https://www.franciswilksandjones.co.uk/site/our_services/debt_claims/county-court/further-information-cc/what-cases-are-heard-in-the-county-court.html


I would say this is probably is good case for harassment and could be dealt with in a civil court.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/taking-action-about-discrimination/taking-action-about-harassment/

When is something harassment under the Act?

Generally speaking harassment is behaviour which causes you distress or alarm.

The Act also says you must have experienced at least two incidents by the same person or group of people for it to be harassment.

It's the courts that decide if something is harassment under the Act. The courts will look at whether most people or a reasonable person would think the behaviour amounts to harassment.

What can the court do if you take civil action about harassment?

The court can make an order or injunction that the person harassing you must stop their behaviour. If they don’t stop harassing you after the court has made an injunction against them, it's a criminal offence and they can be prosecuted in the criminal courts.

You can also ask the court for compensation if you’ve suffered financial or emotional loss - for example, if the harassment has made you feel very anxious or distressed.

As an aside
Under the rules for corporate manslaughter the DWP are not immune if we can deal with that next !

Harrassment is a criminal offence and the bar is much higher than a civil case in regards to evidence.


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