Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

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Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

Post by Caker on Mon May 22, 2017 5:35 pm

http://kilburnunemployed.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/us-workfare-monger-laurence-meads-work-makes-you-free-impact-on-uk-welfare-reform.html


From the link:
The key intellectual insight for Mead when he began his assault on the American welfare state was that what changed behaviour was not economic incentives but tough government talking. "It was authoritative statements from people in authority that mattered. We should not [incentivise people] to work. We hope [they will]. We say it because you are supposed to do it, we expect you to do it."

Such sentiments have a whiff of 1930s Germany, something the Twittersphere buzzed with when welfare secretary Iain Duncan Smith said: "Work makes you free" – the same words hung over the entrance to the Auschwitz concentration camp. "I have faced this accusation," says Mead. "Hitler was non-democratic, whereas work requirements claim a popular mandate. There is something wrong when because of fascism we have to solve every problem with freedom and benefits."

In the wake of another Tory victory, would Theresa May claim a 'popular mandate' for the Gospel according to Lawrence Mead?
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Re: Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

Post by Absolut on Tue May 23, 2017 11:41 am

The architect of UC was David "Lord" Fraud.
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Re: Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

Post by Caker on Tue May 23, 2017 6:58 pm

So was D Fraud influenced by the work of Laurence Mead Question Suspect   One can only speculate.
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Re: Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

Post by Brutus on Wed May 24, 2017 1:46 am

Evil has deep roots...
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Re: Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

Post by Absolut on Wed May 24, 2017 12:10 pm

Caker wrote:So was D Fraud influenced by the work of Laurence Mead Question Suspect   One can only speculate.

No idea. Influenced by a Lordship I reckon lol
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Re: Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

Post by Absolut on Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:39 am

http://www.welfareweekly.com/david-freud-the-unelected-welfare-reform-minister-with-too-much-political-power/

Freud’s recommendations included reducing the ESA long-term sickness benefit to the same income level as that of the unemployment Job Seekers Allowance, to prevent there being any financial “incentive” to remain on ESA. Thanks to the discredited but influential 2005 DWP commissioned research ‘The Scientific and Conceptual Basis of Incapacity Benefits’ by Gordon Waddell and Mansel Aylward, Freud used the suggestions in that report and was instrumental in suggesting punitive welfare reductions and savage sanctions that guaranteed destitution or worse.
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Re: Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

Post by Caker on Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:01 am

......So I wonder if either Waddell or Aylward were influenced by Mead. Suspect


Original thought is quite a rare thing.

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Edit: I refer to the above in the loosest sense. I am not implying that Mead, Waddell, Aylward, Freud or Smith have 'discovered truth', merely that they have developed a flawed ideology based upon a previous flawed ideology instead of an original thought.


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Re: Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

Post by Absolut on Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:15 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Mead

Scholars Stanford M. Lyman and Arthur J. Vidich have compared his idea of forcing the poor, blacks, single mothers and the unemployed youth to work to the earlier notion of 'warrantism' espoused by Henry Hughes in the Antebellum South.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hughes_(sociologist)

He developed the economic notion of 'warrantism,' with the owner being the 'warrantor' and the worker being the 'warrantee.'[1] The notion implied a strong, central government, whereby all were required to work, whether they were warrantors or warrantees.[5] The state would take precedence over individuals, and duty over personal freedom.

he argued that warrantees could be threatened with punishment to make sure they would work; warrantors would be self-motivated to work to maintain their position.

Later, Hughes's ideas influenced President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Keysenian public policy, by demanding that the state ensured all citizens would be working.
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Re: Historical perspective: Did this man inspire IDS?

Post by Caker on Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:36 am

Very interesting. Thanks for this research A. Very Happy
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